Official Screenshot thread!

[Tsubodai]

Post your screens here! I'll be doing the same now and then so that you can see what the game is like.
There are some already on the first post of the Cursus Honorum thread below in the sub-forum, but the new up to date ones will be here.

And voila, Elephant brigade, Firentis is er sitting down thats it!

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This isn't available in the game...yet.

ADDED BY ZEMDU!
(these pictures are taken by seek n destroy)

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[Bolkonsky]

Who made the elephant models?

[Tsubodai]

Alex Dragon (For giving me the permission to use his elephant's models)
Yukimura_Sanada (For improving the textures of alex's elephant's models and remaked)

those are the credits I was told to put

[The_Specialist]

This is my WIP Romanesque Arena.


It's not MB ready yet, I still gotta try to scale it down... and I hope to expand it to the colliseum size.

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[Tsubodai]

Nice!

[Imperator of Rome]

Corinthian helmet is ahistorical at this point. If we are in the 4-3rd Centuries. Greeks learned a lot from fighting Epaminondas, Alexander, and Philip how important open helms are.

[The_Specialist]

Tecnically, the macedonians used both kinds of helms. And the greeks at this point (300-200 BC) still used helmets like that...
Noted that yes, they did use open helmets too, some greek factions never stopped with the closed helms.

Sources (Just for the closed helms):
http://civilianmilitaryintelligenceg...plite-headwear (Second picture and note below it)
http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/L...jectID=5443291 The picture of the Phyrgian helmet
http://www.flickr.com/photos/samuel-...in/photostream The notes on that page indicate that it came into play during the 5th century (circa 600 BC), but no historical records that I have yet read show greeks using open helmets until Rome was under Augustus Caesar

I'm not saying that this has to be used, I just want to back the model up with some fact.

The helmet was based on the helmet here:
http://300spartanwarriors.blogspot.c...ys-2011-7.html
though it was used a good 100-250 years before

[Tsubodai]

but corinthian helms are so cool

[The_Specialist]

True. You may want to investigate a "Cool Graphics" version, and a historical version.
Btw, Corinthian helms are easier to find. I know from expierience

[Tsubodai]

i may make a few historical compromises here and there but i doubt anyone would mind too much
yh, thats coz everyone likes them so they are more interested in making them

[Imperator of Rome]

You do know this is a pseudo Corinthian or Etruscan Corinthian helm do you? It's supposed to be worn like this. It is similar to these types of helms.

The first post on that the first link refutes the whole page.

The helmet up top is called a Corinthian type helmet. It first appeared in Greece during the 7th century BC and was designed to give the hoplite complete protection for the head and face. The Corinthian helmet you have in the picture is a late type and would be dated to the 5th century BC. In Greece the Corinthian fell out of use by the end of the 5th century and was replaced by types of helmet which gave the warrior greater visibility and hearing. The second helmet you have illustrated is an Apulo-Corinthian helmet dating from the 5th to early 4th century. This was a derivative of the Greek Corinthian helmet used by the Italic peoples – most excavated examples have been recovered from Apulia in Southern Italy. The Apulo-Corinthian helmet was worn like a cap pushed back on the head and was never intended to be pulled over the face. The eye-holes are much to small and closely spaced. Later versions of the Apulo-Corinthian helmet have eye-holes and nasal guards which are just etched into the bronze and are purely a decorative feature.

By the way, Apulo Corinthian is just a different name for an Etruscan Corinthian helm.
2. The Phyrgian helm is not a closed helm. It can be worn with the masked face or not, but generally it afforded good hearing and visibility.

3. Now this

Originating in the 5th century BC in ancient Greece, this magnificent, intact bronze helmet is an exceptional example of Corinthian personal armor. It is skillfully beaten from a single sheet of bronze. Developed in the early-600's BC, the "Corinthian style" helmet had no ear holes, but a cap-shaped crown, solid nose guard, and flared cheek pieces.

The Corinthian helm originated in the 7th century...along with the hoplon(if you give me a sideview of that helmet, I can tell if it's a later version of the Corinthian helm or not). Now, to the issue of closed helms. Boeotian= Open, Attic= Open, Phygian= Open in some cases and might be limited by a decorational mask, Chalcidian= Very open. Basically one of the first open types, Illyrian- Another one of the older open helm types. Basically, when you say that they still used closed helms, it doesn't make any sense. After being battered by the Macedonians and Thebans and then having the hoplite go through an evolution(10feet spear and lighter armor except for a couple elites), why would they go back to closed helms? As for additional sources, I think the RSII team has done quite a bit a research since they know about helms I have never heard of(example-Sidon helm, yet another open helm type that they say are the last evolution of the Corinthian)

i may make a few historical compromises here and there but i doubt anyone would mind too much
yh, thats coz everyone likes them so they are more interested in making them

I wouldn't because it really doesn't fit into the period. If you want to do so, than put forth the option of making such armed troops slower to respond to enemies. I think people like they because mostly they are ignorant of the changes in helmets during that period and they think hoplites= Corinthian dude with breastplate and spear, even though breastplates were expensive and there were 5 other types of hoplite helms. Still, the Corinthian was pretty popular in the 6th-5th Centuries, along with the Pylos, Illyrian and Chalcidian helms(which can be beautiful imo). I'll get a copy of the drawing of a hoplite noble with a Chalcidian helm when I get a chance.

As for the Corinthian helm, please make a distinction between these helms that are relevant to the period.
This is a Etruscan Corinthian/Apulo Corinthian helm on the bodyguards. The general is wearing an Attic(possibly mixed with another helm type I can't really tell) helm.

This, is a Pseudo Corinthian. An open helm that looks like a Corinthian helm folded back.

I suggest making historical and less historical versions of the mod. That's what RSII did with its Spartan faction when they removed Corinthian helms from them and got some requests for the Corinthian armored guys.

[Tsubodai]

Great thanks!

I have the etruscocorinthian from you and i have 3 versions of the phrygian helm from jackstory
i think a helm i have from spartacus mod is attic

perhaps what i'll do is have an elite core of corinthians and have the main body using the more historically accurate hoplite gear

[Imperator of Rome]

Great thanks!

I have the etruscocorinthian from you and i have 3 versions of the phrygian helm from jackstory
i think a helm i have from spartacus mod is attic

perhaps what i'll do is have an elite core of corinthians and have the main body using the more historically accurate hoplite gear

The Corinthian isn't really an elite helmet though. It's just one of many types of hoplite helms that seem to get way more attention than it deserves(just make it a generic helmet, unless you plan to make an ornate one). Making the Corinthian an elite helmet doesn't really make sense, since elites preferred Pseudo Corinthians anyway(Seriously, they had that type to show off, not for protection) and others Attics/Attic mixtures. Anyway, I think I listed the helms that were used by the Italians on the Taleworlds page. It's these helmets.
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These are later Greek helmets, for both Macedonians and other Greeks.

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Roman and Italian helms as done by EB

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Avatars by EB of Romans.

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Italian Auxilia

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[Tsubodai]

Thanks, its useful to have all those in one place, its beginning to get annoying to find anything on the talewords thread.
I think i currently have around 8 corinthian helms, mostly quite plain but a few ornate ones.

[Imperator of Rome]

Thanks, its useful to have all those in one place, its beginning to get annoying to find anything on the talewords thread.
I think i currently have around 8 corinthian helms, mostly quite plain but a few ornate ones.

Huh? Any of the helms on my screenshots?

[Tsubodai]

you mean the corinthians? they are from various osps, they are basically all variations of number 1 on your first screen

but i lack chalcidian, italic and attic helms

[Imperator of Rome]

you mean the corinthians? they are from various osps, they are basically all variations of number 1 on your first screen

but i lack chalcidian, italic and attic helms

Yep, ironically, Rglcotl made a Chalcidian helm without know he did so. I haven't made any of those but I've gotten started on a Thracian helm. Not liking the look of it though.

[Tsubodai]

i'll have to ask him about that!
cool, looking forward to it!

[Imperator of Rome]

i'll have to ask him about that!
cool, looking forward to it!

This is the Chalcidian.

One of his Linothoraxes.


More info, save it somewhere.
Hoplites helmets used in 5th Century B.C-1. Oldest form of Corinthian helm. Had hearing and sight problems. 2. Italian Variant. Evolved into the Sidon and Etruscan Corinthian types 3. Mid period Corinthian helm. Sharp sides protect neck from cuts. Still hard to hear. 4. Illyrian helm, one of the two main hoplite helm types(Illyrian and Corinthian). Oldest form of the helm with good sight but possibly bad hearing. 5. Later form of the Illyrian helm with cutouts for better hearing. 6. Chalcidian type. A helm that offered the best hearing and sight with reduced protection. 7. Last form of the traditional Corinthian helm with cutouts.

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Macedonian Hypapist and Phalangite(Pezhetairoi)

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Rich Hoplite with Chalcidian and ornate kit and normal hoplite with Linothorax and Pylos helm. 6-5th Centuries.

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Peltast, 5th Century-

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Peltast, 4th Century, by Alexander's time, Peltasts have gained Linothorax armors and hide covered shields.

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Iphicrates Hoplite- By the late 5th or early-mid 4th Century, the hoplite had lengthened his spear to 10 feet, reduced the weight of the shield and utilized more open helmets.

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Depending on the exact date of this mod, the Peltasts probably would of evolved into Thureophoroi and mail armored assault infantry I can't remember the name of at the moment.

[Tsubodai]

Great thanks.

Where can i contact him about using that? He doesn't seem to be on taleworlds.