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Kammenos will be my choice. I don't care about his past, I like him because he stayed true to his beliefs and he was the first to leave the party of ND, when the polls showed that it would achieve clear superiority in the parliament. He took his risk and here he is, with his own anti-IMF party.
Unfortunately, only SYRIZA has asked for a united Left front against PASOK and ND. KKE and Democratic Left still want to promote their micro-politic agenda, instead of addressing the main problem -out with the IMF. With this mess, 7-8 or even 9 political parties in the parliament, there's gonna be chaos. The country will just descend in anarchy.
Last edited by Manuel I Komnenos; April 11, 2012 at 09:00 PM.
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"Steps to be taken in case Russia should be forced out of war considered. Various movements [of ] troops to and from different fronts necessary to meeting possible contingencies discussed. Conference also weighed political, economic, and moral effect both upon Central and Allied powers under most unfavorable aspect from Allied point of view. General conclusions reached were necessity for adoption of purely defensive attitude on all secondary fronts and withdrawing surplus troops for duty on western front. By thus strengthening western front [those attending] believed Allies could hold until American forces arrive in numbers sufficient to gain ascendancy."
~General Pershing, report to Washington, 26 July 1917
Manuel... Here are my predictions:
Alhoon's predictions for May 2012:
Pasok: about 22-23%
ND: about 28-30%
KKE: About 10-11%
Syriza: About 6-7%
Democratic Left: About 7-8%
Independant Greeks: About 8-10%
Laos: 4-5%
Xrisi Augi: 3-4% (God help us all, I believe they will make it in)
Ecologists: 2-4%
As for Democratic left: So far I like that they're the "intelectual left" that doesn't want to burn down the country, bash heads and clash with the police forces on the streets. I think they stay appart because while their ideology and goals are close with Syriza, their methods are different.
However, I can't say that I would vote for them, at least not yet. So far we have like a billion parties and I can't vote any of them.
I may end up taking a blank ballot and write "Obama" on it.
Last edited by alhoon; April 12, 2012 at 12:14 AM.
alhoon is not a member of the infamous Hoons: a (fictional) nazi-sympathizer KKK clan. Of course, no Hoon would openly admit affiliation to the uninitiated.
"Angry Uncle Gordon" describes me well.
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You can safely disregard the crap you responded to. The guy is an anti communist with absolutely no clue of KKE:s program.
You must understand the communist position, and their internationalist agenda, before you can comment.
KKE has always been branded as traitors to the Greek state, wich is absolutely laughable considering they were the only ones fighting against the Nazi occupation in ww2, while the others - mainly the 2 big parties - sold out the country!
Last edited by Platon; April 12, 2012 at 05:36 AM.
Methink,s help is on the horizon regarding the great austerity experiment within the eurozone.
The answer I think lies with Spain and its present troubles.
The markets are waking up to the fact that austerity is killing any prospect of recovery within large sections of the eurozone.
This policy is beginning to make it more likely that countries will be forced into default rather than repaying debt.
The euro v the dollar exchange rate is maintaining a sort of balance due to the massive printing race that is going on.
However with oil prices increasing, pressure grows on western economies leading to greater declines in domestic economies.
Its time for our Dear Leader,s to come up with plan B.
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The only plan that is left is that the ECB steps in and buy Govt bonds. The new Spanish govt thinks that they can bring down the deficit from 8.5% to 3% in 2 years... They are dreaming. It can't be done... no austerity in the world can help them. They have private debt of over 300% to GDP -unemployment over 20% and trading partners in recession... Good luck with that!!
Ah, Platon, Spain will recieve a tecnocrat and become another protectorate as the spanish government fails.
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LTRO didn’t solve the underlying problems. Now it has been withdrawn those problems are becoming apparent again.
They should have tried Quantitative Easing instead.
But the Bundesbank said no.
The Germans are still afraid of inflation.
They don’t seem to care that austerity without easing monetary policy will destroy the weaker euro zone economies.
Maybe when there is another crisis the Germans will agree to something, but don’t count on it.
“Cretans, always liars” Epimenides (of Crete)
I've talked with many Greek communists and I know that they are against ethnicities and believe the only enemy is the rich politicians guiding each state against the other. I've heard how they want to share the Aegean Sea with Turkey for example. And of course, the main motivator behind the resistance against the Nazis was the fight against the Nazi ideology, not the fight for the freedom of the Greek nation.
Under the patronage of Emperor Maximinus Thrax
"Steps to be taken in case Russia should be forced out of war considered. Various movements [of ] troops to and from different fronts necessary to meeting possible contingencies discussed. Conference also weighed political, economic, and moral effect both upon Central and Allied powers under most unfavorable aspect from Allied point of view. General conclusions reached were necessity for adoption of purely defensive attitude on all secondary fronts and withdrawing surplus troops for duty on western front. By thus strengthening western front [those attending] believed Allies could hold until American forces arrive in numbers sufficient to gain ascendancy."
~General Pershing, report to Washington, 26 July 1917
^Then u haven't met the same communists as me, it seems....
of course most comunist are a bunch of traitors.i hear them in my college too.
about ww2 do you thing if dady stalin would want to free greece from the capitalists by invading (as the nazis did) it would the
communist object of
course not .greece today would be another satelite state
.(very few would be the patriotic ones)?
Beorn first its another thing voting for kke (many vote kke because all the others are either corrupt or stupid) its another thing being left and against capitalism
and another thing being a hardcore communist
come to pantio university and you will hear members of ΚΝΕ arguing how to set up they nation when the "revolution" will come
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When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in... Who will our invaders be? From whence will they come?”
― Robert E. Howard
Under the patronage of Emperor Maximinus Thrax
"Steps to be taken in case Russia should be forced out of war considered. Various movements [of ] troops to and from different fronts necessary to meeting possible contingencies discussed. Conference also weighed political, economic, and moral effect both upon Central and Allied powers under most unfavorable aspect from Allied point of view. General conclusions reached were necessity for adoption of purely defensive attitude on all secondary fronts and withdrawing surplus troops for duty on western front. By thus strengthening western front [those attending] believed Allies could hold until American forces arrive in numbers sufficient to gain ascendancy."
~General Pershing, report to Washington, 26 July 1917
i agree with you but there is a difference.first the soviet (would be) colaborators (in a soviet attack in greece) would join soviet because of their ideology while the nazi colaborators were not a single force.some were racist (or nazi),some colaborated for money and some were blinded by anticommunism.many of the nazi or fascism sympathisers and later some of the colaborators( i mean mainly some army officers not so much their people) fought against italy and germany despite their personal feelings( and later becoming traitors) would you thing the communist would do in the same case(few would do that)
Last edited by clone; April 12, 2012 at 08:36 AM.
When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in... Who will our invaders be? From whence will they come?”
― Robert E. Howard
So, let's see who the Greek communists really are:
12/7/1935, article from Rizospastis (communist newspaper).
The ideas still remain the same. Complete abolishment of the nations and fight against the interests of the states which are 'guided by the rich bourgeois'.The Asia Minor Expedition was not only aimed against New Turkey, but also against the interests of the Greek nation. Not only didn't the defeat of the bourgeois and the landowners in Asia Minor sadden us, we also sought it.
Under the patronage of Emperor Maximinus Thrax
"Steps to be taken in case Russia should be forced out of war considered. Various movements [of ] troops to and from different fronts necessary to meeting possible contingencies discussed. Conference also weighed political, economic, and moral effect both upon Central and Allied powers under most unfavorable aspect from Allied point of view. General conclusions reached were necessity for adoption of purely defensive attitude on all secondary fronts and withdrawing surplus troops for duty on western front. By thus strengthening western front [those attending] believed Allies could hold until American forces arrive in numbers sufficient to gain ascendancy."
~General Pershing, report to Washington, 26 July 1917
Yes, he's anti-communist.
But to say that the Greek state "always" branded them as traitors is a gross over-generalization. KKE is a legal party for the past 50+ years.
The Greek parties didn't sold out Greece, we lost from the Germans fair and square. Also communists were NOT the only ones fighting the Germans. Many rightwing patriots did too.
As for their patriotism, as many communists collaborated with the Burgarian occupation of Macedonia (our Macedonia, not FYROM) as rightwings with the Nazis.
And let's not forget that the crappy slogan of "There are no National enemies, just class enemies" was often seen in Greece when we were fighting against the Italians, till Soviet Union got in the war, when the Communists changed their opinion within a couple of days.
Yes, there were heroes of the resistance in the Communist party (one of my grandfather's brothers fought with the Communists to liberate Greece). There were also collaborator communists too though. And there were good rightwings fighting the Germans too. It's not black/white.
Yeah, it seems likely.
Last edited by alhoon; April 12, 2012 at 11:23 AM.
alhoon is not a member of the infamous Hoons: a (fictional) nazi-sympathizer KKK clan. Of course, no Hoon would openly admit affiliation to the uninitiated.
"Angry Uncle Gordon" describes me well.
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Developer of Causa Belli submod for Darthmod, headed by Hammeredalways and a ton of other people.
Developer of LtC: Random maps submod for Lands to Conquer (that brings a multitude of random maps and other features).
When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in... Who will our invaders be? From whence will they come?”
― Robert E. Howard
Is this all due to your civil war? I'm curious, how do you guys teach your civil war in schools? Or do you say it is "too soon" to be taught? The topic still seems to be sensitive. You can see a split even in this thread.
Also, as a point of personal interest, are you taught about the role we played in your civil war? By mid-1949, Macedonians made up 14,000 out of 20,000 of the DSE's army. I think this would deserve a mention, but with the politics as it is I don't know if it would be included.
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When a nation forgets her skill in war, when her religion becomes a mockery, when the whole nation becomes a nation of money-grabbers, then the wild tribes, the barbarians drive in... Who will our invaders be? From whence will they come?”
― Robert E. Howard
From my somewhat hazy memory, Britain and churchill also played a part in the civil war.
Civil wars Acco are sensitive subjects, The Irish are still a little shy of talking about their 1922-23 one.
However it maybe better to concentrate on todays political war to save the Greek nation from the poor house?
Oh a little Irish update, our home tax minister had to run and hide in a church from a large crowd of angry citizen,s. hehe.
Last edited by magpie; April 12, 2012 at 03:03 PM.
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