The death penalty.

[Condottiere 40K]

But for the West it wouldn't be worth it, since even if they didn't shoot up each other, they might have no compunction about brutalizing non-combatants, or even combatants, and that will get you into trouble with the Geneva Conventions.

[hellheaven1987]

But for the West it wouldn't be worth it, since even if they didn't shoot up each other, they might have no compunction about brutalizing non-combatants, or even combatants, and that will get you into trouble with the Geneva Conventions.

Nobody says penal legion has to be treated brutally; obviously those penal units would be deployed for more dangerous missions but that does not mean you are asking them to run to enemy with bare hand.

[Condottiere 40K]

The difference between volunteers and normal conscripts and a penal legion is that the first group wants to be there or has something to lose.

A penal legion is regarded as expendable, and they know it; the German Battalion 999 were at least partially made up of soldiers who still felt they had some shred of honour, and were sentenced to it for any number of infringements possible to commit in war and against a Nazi hierarchy.

Assuming the Americans established one and sent it to Afghanistan, what are the likely consequences?

[Claudius Gothicus]

What's with exarch and Hellheaven derailing every ing thread they participate on and turning it into a War-hammer 40K vs Reality kind of debate.

[panzer 4]

Assuming the Americans established one and sent it to Afghanistan, what are the likely consequences?

they dont need to, as long as call of duty and Battlefield games keep hitting the stores, they will never be short of volunteers

[SinerAthin]

Murder(or greater)

I would never opt for a death penalty unless the person has actually taken a life away, in which case, it would be fair.

Smuglers, rapists, criminals & other corrupted scum should be sent to labour camps to help build the nation and society they had been previously been destroying.

If a person has done big crime, I support indoctrination and brain washing to suppress criminal habbits, so they will become viable, hard working assets to society once they leave the prison gates as new men and women.

[A Fistful Of Dollars]

Is it ever justifiable to take a human life? Especially a human who is locked up and no longer a danger or threat to anyone?

[Claudius Gothicus]

Is it ever justifiable to take a human life? Especially a human who is locked up and no longer a danger or threat to anyone?

It satisfies the vengeful needs of some... up until a up occurs and then the Utilitarian pseudo-justifications will arise.

[Ciabhán]

Is it ever justifiable to take a human life? Especially a human who is locked up and no longer a danger or threat to anyone?

Unless you wall them up in a completely empty cell with no openings and nothing to use as a tool and never let them out they are a danger to other inmates and prison staff. Of course they'd die then. That being the case I'd rather just get it out of the way.

It satisfies the vengeful needs of some... up until a up occurs and then the Utilitarian pseudo-justifications will arise.

Is the leader of a wolf pack who kills a pack member that has endangered the pack being vengeful or practical? As much as we like to pretend we're something special we're no different from any other social animal when it comes to down to the basics.

If someone were to kill one of my kin or close friends it isn't likely that the state would need to take my revenge for me. I wasn't always an upstanding citizen. If someone kills another person who just so happens to have the same citizenship as me...I really don't care so I can't say I'd be looking for revenge.

[Inhuman One]

If someone killed one of my relatives, I would give it my all to kill that person. No one else, just that person. Once released he/she would die, even if its thirty years later.
And I bet many would feel the same way, so it would be better for the government to take action than to let citizens take the law into their own hands.

[Ciabhán]

If someone killed one of my relatives, I would give it my all to kill that person. No one else, just that person. Once released he/she would die, even if its thirty years later.
And I bet many would feel the same way, so it would be better for the government to take action than to let citizens take the law into their own hands.

A lot of people think it. Not many can actually act on it.

I'm not trying to sound like a((n) internet) hardcase but I was born into violence in a violent place at the worst time.

That being said I understand that I'm not entirely civilised and I've BTDT. Outside my family and close friends other folks mean nothing more to me than the pest animals I put down and leave for the carrion eaters.

[Astaroth]

If someone killed one of my relatives, I would give it my all to kill that person. No one else, just that person. Once released he/she would die, even if its thirty years later.
And I bet many would feel the same way, so it would be better for the government to take action than to let citizens take the law into their own hands.

Ever heard of "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."?

[ChivalrousKiller]

I believe it's wrong to kill someone whatever their crime. Executing a murderer would be to sink to his level.

But I should probably have changed my username before posting this

[Col. Tartleton]

I don't think it's wrong to kill people. Abolish jails. Give options for either a fine or a corporal punishment for crimes and make the most severe death penalty.

Have you ever seen the people in a real prison? Do you watch the specials about American prisons? They should be put down en masse.

Rehab will not work. You'd need to fundamentally destroy swathes of their mind and personality. It's kinder to kill than lobotomize.

[Condottiere 40K]

That's the Medieval solution, where you judge the cost of the crime in monetary terms to both society in general and to those effected in particular.

You could have re-institute slavery, so that the offenders are made to work off the loans they have to take out to satisfy all claims.

[Inhuman One]

I really would not care about how others would see me, if someone kills one of my friends or relatives I rather kill the murderer so it wont ever happen again. I'd consider myself a worse murderer if I'd let someone like that go to do it again.
It's just that I have a rather strong sense of justice, which could be seen as a vengefull streak. I hate to see people get away with crimes involving murder, rape or anything else that truly hurts other people.

[boofhead]

Rape.
Murder premeditated, for profit or lust.
Penetration of a child.
Treason.

The reason the death penalty should exist IMHO is that is precludes innocent relatives of the victims from becoming criminals themselves through carrying out natural law.

You lock these grubs up for life and it denies the relatives of the victims natural honour, which would be the personal killing of the miscreant. So kill the maggots, and at least the families of the victims can deal only with the loss of their loved one without having to think of the scumbag still breathing the same air as they do.

This is what I define as natural justice.

[panzer 4]

also death penalty is a good deterrent against future possible murders.

[boofhead]

also death penalty is a good deterrent against future possible murders.

The pansies will bring out stats that show this not to be the case.

It's not about stats, or highbrow philosophical arguments, it's about natural justice.

Putting a killer in a cage for 50 years is as unnatural a thing as anything I've ever heard of.

[Astaroth]

I really would not care about how others would see me, if someone kills one of my friends or relatives I rather kill the murderer so it wont ever happen again. I'd consider myself a worse murderer if I'd let someone like that go to do it again.
It's just that I have a rather strong sense of justice, which could be seen as a vengefull streak. I hate to see people get away with crimes involving murder, rape or anything else that truly hurts other people.

How often do have to repeat it:

If someone is locked up for life he will never be able to leave prison again and won't "go to do it again".

Rape.
Murder premeditated, for profit or lust.
Penetration of a child.
Treason.

The reason the death penalty should exist IMHO is that is precludes innocent relatives of the victims from becoming criminals themselves through carrying out natural law.

You lock these grubs up for life and it denies the relatives of the victims natural honour, which would be the personal killing of the miscreant. So kill the maggots, and at least the families of the victims can deal only with the loss of their loved one without having to think of the scumbag still breathing the same air as they do.

This is what I define as natural justice.

Sharia law anyone? And if somebody steals something we chop off his hand? Or if he blinds someone we blind him?

Oh wait, in what context have I heard that before...