[Anatolian Principalities] General Discussion & Suggestions

[Wallachian]

Hospitallers and Genoeses also had to fight him, and have been thrashed too...

Yeah he threw the Hospitallers' heads back at their brethren that were trying to relieve Smyrna...

[Innersilence]

First of all, great works guys. I'm definitely fascinated, I can't find words to express how i feel. As for the question: as you know, when ottomans conquered karesioğulları, they got the chance to be more powerful at sea. So, when we overpower another beylik, will we be able to get their unique powers and unique units? I mean is there a possibility in the game?

[Elvasat]

On another topic, I know the mod has a start date of 1310 if I'm not mistaken and am not sure when the end date is. I haven't read anywhere on this forum if you plan on having Tamerlane (Timur the Lame, b1336-d1405), make an appearance. If the human player is anything other than the Timurid Empire I think he could be brought in using the Mongol horde script. This would represent the massive campaigns he launched westward. Historically he thrashed Georgia numerous times along with Armenia, and gave the Turks a run for their money. Anyway just an idea.

Our time period is 1310- 1520. We have Timurids in our emerge factions. You can find our faction list here We think to add it to unplayabe factions because of its establishing year and coming to Anatolian lands.. I'm creating really massive scripts about Georgia-Ilkhanids relationships and when the ilkhanids has gone and Timurids comes place, Georgia-Timurids relationships.You will find much more details about it when the Gerogian Preview is released which is next.

Hospitallers and Genoeses also had to fight him, and have been thrashed too...

I didn't write a script abaut it yet, but they are coming to coastal lands of the Anatolia and to conquer the cities like Antalya, Adana, Tarsus, Izmir, Halikarnasos etc. (For Order of Saint John. Genoese has wide range cities to conquer.)

As for the question: as you know, when ottomans conquered karesioğulları, they got the chance to be more powerful at sea. So, when we overpower another beylik, will we be able to get their unique powers and unique units? I mean is there a possibility in the game?

We think to add AOR units to Beyliks. For example we will add a different ship to some beyliks and they will more powerful at the sea. Besides some units can be made if you have the spesific city and/or if you have good relationship with another specific beylik (so you can use their units).

Thank you for your suggesitons..

[VINC.XXIII]

Yes genoeses were gone from Kaffa at your starting date, they recovered only this city while 1312 year, and made several fortresses around the coasts.
from wiki:

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Caffa, economic center(50 000 genoeses at 1460), civil ruling, with a special Consul.
Sudak, military center, its commander was autonomous from the Consul of Caffa. It was incidently the warehouse for weapon's genoeses exportations in Russia/North Balkans/Georgia. Several bascinets have been found, falchions, siege's strings...etc

The genoese "Death Star", in color, don't look great today, but it was...

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[Innersilence]

When I was looking at the maps, I realized that in the east of Kütahya there is a city, Afyon and in the south there is another city, Karahisar. However those two cities are the same cities and its name was Karahisar-Şarki around 1300. Also, Germiyan Beylik should have more regions, at least 4 or 5 regions including Kütahya, Karahisar, Uşak, Kadoi (Gediz) and Kula because around 1300 it was the second most powerful principality in Anatolia according to historical resources.

[Elvasat]

Thank you. Our Campaign map is not completed (%100) yet. Some castles must be added and some base positions of the cities must be changed. I will deal with them after the Georgian Preview. We can create the map historically correct with your research.

[Innersilence]

Hello again, I dont want to interfere with your great work guys, I just intend to give suggestions. So here is another thing , this time about introduction of Germiyan Beylik. It says that the beylik was overtaken by Ottoman Empire. However Yakub II ,due to having no heirs,gave all the territories to Ottomans in his will and after his death Germiyan Beylik became part of the empire willingly, not by force.

[druzhina345]

Our time period is 1310- 1520. .. I'm creating really massive scripts about Georgia-Ilkhanids relationships and when the ilkhanids has gone and Timurids comes place, Georgia-Timurids relationships.You will find much more details about it when the Georgian Preview is released which is next.

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druzhina345
Illustrations of Soldiers

[druzhina345]

Agreed, I hope that we will see the Timurids emerge in Anatolia.

Contemporary paintings of Timurid Soldiers and Turkmen successors

Notes on, and drawings of, Persian cavalry by Ian Heath:
Persian Cavalryman, Early-15th Century
Persian Cavalrymen C.1430
Persian Cavalryman C.1440
Persian Cavalryman, Late-15th Century
Persian Cavalryman C.1495
Persian Musician



MIRROR SITE

Contemporary paintings of Timurid Soldiers and Turkmen successors

Druzhina345
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

[mircea]

The idea of the mod is really awesome and I wish you good luck in your endeavor.

Further, I would have a question on how you plan representing the Deversime system, and will it be available just for Ottomans??

[mepetamepe]

hay anybody is alive??? whats hapend? last post was writen 12 april..:/// mod is died? if not when it will relased? how many % is rady??

[Wallachian]

Mate, people have real lives to deal with. They can't work on the mod every single day of their lives. Besides, as you said the last post was 12th April which is only 2 weeks ago. Also, the modders have dev forums where most of the development goes on. Just because they don't show anything new it doesn't mean there's not a ton of work being done.

[mepetamepe]

Mate, people have real lives to deal with. They can't work on the mod every single day of their lives. Besides, as you said the last post was 12th April which is only 2 weeks ago. Also, the modders have dev forums where most of the development goes on. Just because they don't show anything new it doesn't mean there's not a ton of work being done.

i just asked man and i would to know when thes mod will bi ready? or how mutch % is already done?

[druzhina345]

A new site for my contemporary illustrations:

Illustrations of Ilkhanid Mongols and Successors in 14th Century Persia and surrounds:
A Mongolic Horse Archer on the Surp Hac Church of the Holy Cross, Aktamar Island, Van Province, Turkey
Negroes & armoured Mamluk or Ilkhanid cavalry in Kitab al-mawalid (Book of nativities), attributed to Abu Ma'schar, late 13th century
Illustrations from the First Small Shahnama, c.1300, showing Ilkhanid Mongols
Illustrations from the Second Small Shahnama, c.1300, showing Ilkhanid Mongols
Illustrations from the Freer Small Shahnama, after 1300, Baghdad, showing Ilkhanid Mongols
Illustrations in the 1305-14 Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid al-Din.

Illustrations in the Diez_Album, an early 14th century copy of Jami' al-Tawarikh by Rashid al-Din, Tabriz
Faramarz leads his army against the Shah of Kabul from a 1330 Shahnama, Tabriz
Bahram Chubina's night attack on the camp of Khusrau Parviz, 1335 Shahnama, Isfahan
Gustaham Slays Lahhak and Farshidvard from a 1330-40 Shahnama
Illustrations in the Kitab-i Samak 'Ayyar of c.1330

Illustrations of Injuids of Fars in a Shahnama of 1341, Shiraz

Illustrations of Jalayrid Mongols from the Saray Albums
Tympanum with a Horse & Rider in Dagestan, late 14th century
Tympanum with Rider and Standard Bearer, Dagestan, late 14th century

Druzhina345
14th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

[druzhina345]

The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff, 1496 to 1499

Illustrations from the Manuscript of the Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff, 1496 to 1499

St. James at Compostella.
The Doge.
Venetian women.
Costumes of the Greeks and Turks.
The Sultan (Viceroy) in Cairo.
Costume of Christians, Pagans, Turks, and Jews.
Costume of the Mamelukes.
Clothing and lifestyle of women in Cairo.
Clothing and lifestyle of women in Cairo.
The camel in the caravan train.
Costume and Arms of the Arabs.
The Amazons.
Costume of Gascons.
The residents of Lack.
Women's Clothing in Biscayen.
Costumes in Brittany.

Illustrations from the 1860 edition of The pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff

Costumes of the Greeks and Turks.
The Sultan (Viceroy) in Cairo.
Costume of Christians, Pagans, Turks, and Jews.
Costume of the Mamelukes.
Costume and Arms of the Arabs.
Costume and Arms of the Mamelukes.
Other figures by Harff
Harff at pilgrim stops
Animals by Harff

Rhodian Greek Militiaman, 14th-15th Centuries based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499
A Mamluk Servant by Ian Heath based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499
drawing and notes on a Bedouin Tribesman based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499, by Ian Heath.

MIRROR SITE
Illustrations from the Manuscript of the Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff, 1496 to 1499
Illustrations from the 1860 edition of The pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff

Rhodian Greek Militiaman, 14th-15th Centuries based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499
A Mamluk Servant by Ian Heath based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499
drawing and notes on a Bedouin Tribesman based on The Pilgrimage of Arnold von Harff in 1496 to 1499, by Ian Heath.

Druzhina345
15th Century Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

[druzhina345]

A new site for my contemporary illustrations:

Maqamat of al-Hariri

Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri The Maqamat ('Assemblies') are a collection of amusing stories told by the merchant al-Harith about a peripatetic rogue named Abu Zaid. Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Bibliothèque nationale de France, Paris, manuscript Arabe 6094, dated 619H, 1222-23AD Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, St. Petersburg Branch of the Institute of Oriental Studies, manuscript C-23 of c. 1225-35 Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Bibliothèque nationale de France, manuscript Arabe 5847, 1237AD Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Bibliothèque nationale de France, manuscript Arabe 3929, (al-Wasiti) 2nd quarter of 13th century or selected folios with camels, horses or weapons with larger images Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Suleymaniye Library manuscript Esad Efendi 2916 of 1242-1258AD Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Vienna manuscript of 1334AD Illustrations from Maqamat of al-Hariri, Bodleian Library, University of Oxford manuscript Marsh 458 of 1337 Drawings of, and notes on, Bedouin Tribesmen by Ian Heath based on the Maqamat of al-Hariri Moslem Musicians Saracen Standards Moslem Horses A pack camel MIRROR SITE: Maqamat of al-Hariri

15th Century Ottomans

Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berri, 1416AD, folio 51v: The Meeting of the Magi Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berri, 1416AD, folio: 52r Adoration of the Christ Child Ottoman Cavalry by Ian Heath based on Les Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry The Naval Battle of Zonchio (Navarino), 1499 Ottoman Infantry by Ian Heath based on The Naval Battle of Zonchio (Navarino) An Ottoman Handgunner by Ian Heath based on The Naval Battle of Zonchio (Navarino) A Turkish Janissary, c. 1480, by Gentile Bellini Turkish Janissaries by Ian Heath based on Gentile Bellini's picture of an Ottoman Janissary, c. 1480 An Ottoman Heavy Infantryman by Ian Heath An Ottoman Heavy Cavalryman by Ian Heath An Akinji in an Oriental Family by Albrecht Dürer, 1496 An Ottoman Akinji by Ian Heath based on An Oriental Family by Albrecht Dürer, 1496 Turks in Breydenbach's Peregrinationes in Terram Sanctam, 1486 Drawings and notes on Ottoman Musicians by Ian Heath based on Breydenbach's Peregrinationes in Terram Sanctam, 1486 Folio 23r Obsidionis Rhodie Urbis Descriptio - William Caoursin's The Siege of Rhodes, Ulm, 1496 Balkan Cavalryman by Ian Heath based on William Caoursin's The Siege of Rhodes, Ulm, 1496 Ottoman Flags by Ian Heath Are there other useful 15th century illustrations of Ottomans? Druzhina345 Ottoman Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

druzhina345
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

[dogukan]

I am guessing the faction spesific units are not based on historical accuracy? Though I get what you are trying to make, I am obsessed with accuracy.

[josa235]

Hi! I've waited for your release a long time ago. I was starting the campaign when I saw your text on the "Byzantine Empire" (what a horrible name) and I suggest humbly a revision of it. The medieval Roman Empire was neither Greek (in fact, there was no Greek identity in the Middle Ages save in Plethon's mind) nor a new Empire born from the ashes of the old Roman Empire, for instance. If you want, I may write a more detailed list of aspects to improve either written here or sent through PM. Thank you for your availability!

[bigdaddy1204]

Beautiful mod, well done to the team! I am very happy.

My only comment would be please can you translate some of the building and unit texts to English? I can't read Turkish so it can be difficult to understand some things!

Thanks

[Rad]

My input so far... caps lock will be used.



The unit models are STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL! Congratulations!
Some units have weird (very low) unit numbers... hope you correct it.
Archers are WAY TOO OVERPOWERED! Tone them down, please. It feels like they have machine guns
Units lack armor, morale, shields... everything related to defense should... NO!, MUST be increased. Historically, armor was very useful. People wouldn't wear it otherwise.
Game wise, even unarmored units should get some armor rating, to give them toughness and durability. I noticed that units who wear only clothes get 0 armor. That is a true representation, I agree, but it ruins the balance of the mod. Once again, I suggest that you drastically increase armor, shield, defense, morale etc. 2 min battles are no fun

To give you and idea... play Europa barbarorum 1 or 2.... and then raise armor some more lol. In those mods, battles between armored units can last quite a while, which is more historically accurate and more fun. You have to focus on flanking and maneuvering, using your reserves = more fun.

I'm sorry I can't give a better post... it's late and I'm tired. I will try to add more suggestions in the future.

Once again... Great mod, HUGE amount of potential! Keep up the good work!


Rad