HCS - Supported Sub Mods and Fan Projects

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Yes. Afterall, this is about few Greeks massacring hundreds of thousands of Persian invaders.

[Constantius]

Problem is, the Persians don't seem to be fairing very well against the Ionians- so will probably never make it to Athens. It was the same in ROP I might add, instead Miletus going up in smoke and everyone enslaved.. they appear to be conquering Mikra Asia! I personally think playing as any Greek city-early on should be very hard indeed, Persia is the superpower here not the other way around. So hopefully I can figure out a few adjustments
Don't get me wrong I am not complaining this a fantastic mod- and its a beta, so it needs some fine tuning and it's personnel taste I think

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Simply make tons of crappy Persian stacks by making Sparabara 0-turn recrutable with little upkeep, while making their stats as follows:
Attack: 3
Charge: 1

Def skill:1
Armor: 0
Shield: 2

Formation: 2, 2, 6, 6, horde

Morale: 3, low [discipline], untrained

Cost: I don't exactly remember the order of things, but cost should be about 150, 0 turns to recruit, upkeep - negligable.



Also make them recruitable from some low tier building, like slave trader or something.

[Constantius]

Was there a voice mod some time ago for EB? Or am I thinking perhaps of a MIITW thing? and how difficult is it to add another mods music(with permission odviously) ??

[hekk]

Is there anyone who could mod the AI to stop declaring war on me? (or maybe mod in force diplomacy or something?) The AI seems to attack me as soon as they border me, and they never accept peace. It would be a better experience for me to get into wars I'm ready to finish.

Also something to reduce the massive full stacks would be nice to. I was like 50 turns in the game, and use toggled_fow, and looked into the Peloponnese, and saw Sparta had literally like thousands of full stacks marching their way into Athens.

This is a very great mod btw, thanks a lot for making this. I love this mod's setting.

[GRANTO]

Is there anyone who could mod the AI to stop declaring war on me? (or maybe mod in force diplomacy or something?) The AI seems to attack me as soon as they border me, and they never accept peace. It would be a better experience for me to get into wars I'm ready to finish.

Also something to reduce the massive full stacks would be nice to. I was like 50 turns in the game, and use toggled_fow, and looked into the Peloponnese, and saw Sparta had literally like thousands of full stacks marching their way into Athens.

This is a very great mod btw, thanks a lot for making this. I love this mod's setting.

are you using alex exe? try paying them some money and patrol your border with a strong presence that should make the ai think twice , build forts on the border you wish to protect and watch towers

[hekk]

are you using alex exe?

Nah, I'm afraid not. I'm using BI until I can figure out how to use ALX on Steam.

[Woestelingh]

Is there anyone who could mod the AI to stop declaring war on me? (or maybe mod in force diplomacy or something?) The AI seems to attack me as soon as they border me, and they never accept peace. It would be a better experience for me to get into wars I'm ready to finish.

That's why the game is called Total War cuz the AI doesn't give a crap whether you are ready to fight them or not

[hekk]

That's why the game is called Total War cuz the AI doesn't give a crap whether you are ready to fight them or not

Well, I'm looking for a realistic experience, not a doomsday war.

When the AI is losing lots of battles, losing thousands of soldiers and getting no where, they ought to get the message that peace might be a better option.

Also, fighting in the battlemap takes a lot of time, so it would be nice to have the possibility of getting occasional pauses.

[Woestelingh]

Also, fighting in the battlemap takes a lot of time, so it would be nice to have the possibility of getting occasional pauses.

Agreed on that one, that's also why the big armies and treasuries bothered me, as I don't mind fighting some important decisive battles once every few turns, but not fighting 2 huge battles every single turn. It gets a bit repetitive and makes the game slow

And I don't like 'auto-resolve' too often cuz often I don't like the results it gives me (either too positive or too negative) and is a bit boring to autoresolve all the time.

[hekk]

Agreed on that one, that's also why the big armies and treasuries bothered me, as I don't mind fighting some important decisive battles once every few turns, but not fighting 2 huge battles every single turn. It gets a bit repetitive and makes the game slow

And I don't like 'auto-resolve' too often cuz often I don't like the results it gives me (either too positive or too negative) and is a bit boring to autoresolve all the time.

Yeah, agreed completely, I want battles to be meaningful too. Which is why I would want a more controlled experience, since the AI is screwed up mostly anyway.

Edit: testing out your EDU mod now, in hopes that it will reduce massive full stacks.

[Bainezy]

My descr_character file for longer movement distance per turn.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...1#post10142731

thanks Spartan198 tis very helpful when trying to beat Argos which i have been trying to do for flooping ages

[Constantius]

I have found 3 turns to recruit has made a difference-only a few turns so need to see-costs next and maintenance

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Again, make the Persian scum 0 turn recruitable, so Greeks are outnumbered.

[Woestelingh]

Again, make the Persian scum 0 turn recruitable, so Greeks are outnumbered.

What's holding you back? :-)
changing turns/recruit is one of the easiest things to edit...

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

What's holding you back? :-)
changing turns/recruit is one of the easiest things to edit...

I have already done that. I just wished to suggest Constantius to do the same.

[Woestelingh]

I have already done that. I just wished to suggest Constantius to do the same.

Ah; is the effect really obvious in-game for the AI persians?

Also, the stats you sai you would give them, aren't these way too low, it seemed like they were even weaker than Spartan slave/helot peltasts...
I know they're not supposed to kill 2 Greeks each, but they should still be able to kill something, right?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

I would pick one helot over 10 Persians. Look, the Persians lost 20 thousand men in a pass 14 meters wide over just 2 days. That's pushing the limits of physics. So the conscript spearmen will be useless, as they were. They were essentially meatsields. At Cunaxa, about 30 thousand of them fled the field on the sight of hoplites.

The immortals should be roughly equal to experienced freemen peltasts, while mercenary hoplites would be the backbone of the infantry force.

As for the effects, I'll do some more testing.

[Father Jack]

The Persians were not bad fighters - they conquered a huge empire and defeated the Ionian cities, won over Greek allies and defeated the Egyptians (who used professional Greek and Karian mercenaries in their armies). The Perisan loses at Thermopylae (and to some extent Marathon and Plataea) had just as much to do with geography than the superiority of Greek hoplites. If you push a large number of men into a narrow pass then you will receive casualties, not only from people getting crushed but also because it is easier for the defender to simply pick people off. Also the hoplites fielded by many of the cities were not professionals - their advantage against the Persians was that they had better armour and weaponry such as a large sturdy shield while many Persians had only weak wicker shields.

If anything I would make Persian units cheap to recruit (perhaps 0 turn for some of them), give them an average attack (but not too low), a poor defence and a low shield defence bonus, low morale (obviously better stats for more professional Persian units). Make non professional hoplites expensive to recruit, high upkeep, average attack (similar to Persians), good defence and very good shield bonus, average morale. The professional epilektoi class of hoplites can have a high attack and very good defence + excellent morale and be very expensive to upkeep and recruit as you are employing a full time army unit.

[Constantius]

The Persians were not bad fighters - they conquered a huge empire and defeated the Ionian cities, won over Greek allies and defeated the Egyptians (who used professional Greek and Karian mercenaries in their armies). The Perisan loses at Thermopylae (and to some extent Marathon and Plataea) had just as much to do with geography than the superiority of Greek hoplites. If you push a large number of men into a narrow pass then you will receive casualties, not only from people getting crushed but also because it is easier for the defender to simply pick people off. Also the hoplites fielded by many of the cities were not professionals - their advantage against the Persians was that they had better armour and weaponry such as a large sturdy shield while many Persians had only weak wicker shields.

If anything I would make Persian units cheap to recruit (perhaps 0 turn for some of them), give them an average attack (but not too low), a poor defence and a low shield defence bonus, low morale (obviously better stats for more professional Persian units). Make non professional hoplites expensive to recruit, high upkeep, average attack (similar to Persians), good defence and very good shield bonus, average morale. The professional epilektoi class of hoplites can have a high attack and very good defence + excellent morale and be very expensive to upkeep and recruit as you are employing a full time army unit.

Yes, nothing to add