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    Well its an interesting conversion story. Whether its a good heart warming story or terrible one I'm not sure?

    It was actually a fairly text book submission to Islam straight out of the Quran.
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    Intriguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post


    Well its an interesting conversion story. Whether its a good heart warming story or terrible one I'm not sure?

    It was actually a fairly text book submission to Islam straight out of the Quran.
    He made us proud to be Muslims and Pakistanis. I've seen this video. +rep
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    An English atheist embraces the "certainity of Islam" not because of a gun pointed at his head but because of...I dunno, peer pressure perhaps? I'm not sure how anyone can be argued into it. I'd be interested in seeing these arguments though as someone somewhere must have something killer.

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    Default Re: This shows how Islam can be spread by the gun.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    An English atheist embraces the "certainity of Islam" not because of a gun pointed at his head but because of...I dunno, peer pressure perhaps? I'm not sure how anyone can be argued into it. I'd be interested in seeing these arguments though as someone somewhere must have something killer.


    I admit I have always been intrigued about the award of virgins bit...................
    Yes, Yes I know I am bound for hell with that remark!!!

    Seriously, it would be interesting to see what leads some to convert. As there are folks who have converted both ways from Christianity to Islam and back (not to mention all other religions as well).

    I dunno whether it would be doctrine so much as it might be the sincerity of the people preaching the one or the other. Or perhaps it is a disenfranchisement with the religion that they currently are in. Interesting food for thought none the less.
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    Interesting story.
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    islam spread by the gun? you cant get more misleading then that, there is no mention of the man forcing him to become muslim but rather, the robber said that HE wants to become muslim, so you should probably change the title of this thread as it is misleading
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    If there is one thing I've seen most Muslims love its conversion stories of 'unlikely' converts.
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    Seen this before, pretty awesome.

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    Islam was originally spread by the sword, can you blame them for adapting to the modern world?
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    HUR DUR IM SO CLEVER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    He made us proud to be Muslims and Pakistanis. I've seen this video. +rep
    So people "converting" people by gunpoint makes you proud? Pretty much tells us all we'll ever need to know about you and people like you...



    Disgusting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTREtm View Post
    So people "converting" people by gunpoint makes you proud? Pretty much tells us all we'll ever need to know about you and people like you...

    Disgusting!
    Did you even watch the video? The shop guy converted the gunman, not the other way around.

    I think that the shop guy was so successful due to Maslow's hierarchy. Since the thief needed food, probably wasn't meeting his physiological requirements, which were met by robbing. Since those requirements weren't met beforehand, he almost certainly didn't meet his belonging requirements, which Islam fulfilled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helm View Post
    An English atheist embraces the "certainity of Islam" not because of a gun pointed at his head but because of...I dunno, peer pressure perhaps? I'm not sure how anyone can be argued into it. I'd be interested in seeing these arguments though as someone somewhere must have something killer.

    My Friend, there are no killer arguments! There are only some golden rules that helps its spreading in my believe.

    1- It is the simplest popular religion ever!
    2- Boring Muslims -the majority- who don't get to appear on TV are really nice.
    3- Islam -even if its text and early history said otherwise- doesn't accept injustice every where on earth. As long as there is no justice somewhere, you as a Muslim HAVE TO help remove it or you are sinner.
    4- It creates strong family ties.
    5- It was the sole reason for removing injustice, unifying Muslims and defeating their enemies through ages.
    6- Islam has no clergy. The relation is between you and Allah directly. If Osama bin Laden tells you to kill someone, and your heart says otherwise (which is always the case with less violent in case of Arabs ) then Osama has no legal religious authority over you. Your conscious is your only source of fatwa, you are to be blamed for accepting one, dismissing one or not being able to tell!
    7- The Shaikh, unlike the western clergy men, is not viewed as a helper to the ruling elite. Shaikhs have always bin tortured, imprisoned and executed for speaking against the caliphs in a time where no one else dared.

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    What a horrible man, giving someone who tried to rob him forty dollars and a loaf of bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    Islam was originally spread by the sword, can you blame them for adapting to the modern world?
    Well the Jews allege they committed genocides against their neighbors to appease a man who lived in the clouds. The Christians definitely committed mass murder against various groups for their heathenism, paganism, and heresy against their Pontiff. Islam waged wars of expansion to create a sociopolitical theocracy. Alexander the great committed mass murder for his own Godhood.

    Atilla the Hun? Well he waged total war for Atheism. I respect that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by thelionheart View Post
    My Friend, there are no killer arguments! There are only some golden rules that helps its spreading in my believe.

    1- It is the simplest popular religion ever!
    2- Boring Muslims -the majority- who don't get to appear on TV are really nice.
    3- Islam -even if its text and early history said otherwise- doesn't accept injustice every where on earth. As long as there is no justice somewhere, you as a Muslim HAVE TO help remove it or you are sinner.
    4- It creates strong family ties.
    5- It was the sole reason for removing injustice, unifying Muslims and defeating their enemies through ages.
    6- Islam has no clergy. The relation is between you and Allah directly. If Osama bin Laden tells you to kill someone, and your heart says otherwise (which is always the case with less violent in case of Arabs ) then Osama has no legal religious authority over you. Your conscious is your only source of fatwa, you are to be blamed for accepting one, dismissing one or not being able to tell!
    7- The Shaikh, unlike the western clergy men, is not viewed as a helper to the ruling elite. Shaikhs have always bin tortured, imprisoned and executed for speaking against the caliphs in a time where no one else dared.
    And lots of people kill others in its name on a daily basis, brilliant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by generalveers View Post
    Islam was originally spread by the sword, can you blame them for adapting to the modern world?
    Prove it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SPECTREtm View Post
    So people "converting" people by gunpoint makes you proud? Pretty much tells us all we'll ever need to know about you and people like you...



    Disgusting!
    Did you even see the video? What in fact disgusting is Western hypocrisy, they still live in mindset of crusades and never accept that, they are not ready to think with open mind and they would welcome anything with open arms which provides them a chance to bash Islam and Muslims. Before making stupid posts do have a look at matter. He converted that black guy with his great kindness and mercy not with gun. Next time before extracting favorite results right out of your arse first investigate the matter.
    "I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." 'The Genuine Islam,' Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936.Sir George Bernard Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poet View Post
    Did you even see the video? What in fact disgusting is Western hypocrisy, they still live in mindset of crusades and never accept that, they are not ready to think with open mind and they would welcome anything with open arms which provides them a chance to bash Islam and Muslims. Before making stupid posts do have a look at matter. He converted that black guy with his great kindness and mercy not with gun. Next time before extracting favorite results right out of your arse first investigate the matter.
    You're just as bad as the Islamophobes by generalizing the West as being as narrow-minded as them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thelionheart View Post

    1- It is the simplest popular religion ever!

    Christianity is the largest religion, with Islam second.

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