Brits have hissy fits, burn down nation

[mongrel]

The rioting problem still exist 26 years after. Somone should have learned the lesson. Happy now, Mongrel?

Well no I am not happy. The causes for the riot were different. We had also had poll tax riots after that, G20 riots after that . You did not mention those A tad strange that you have to go back 26 years to find a predominantly black riot. Any reason?

This is not a popular uprising, or a revolt against the police, it's thieves robbing shops. That might change if the police account of the shooting is proven to be false as new evidence seems to suggest.

[Jack04]

From the pics in the article, (not much there, too be sure) this doesn't appear to be a particularly bad neighborhood. I didn't read anything in the article that implies that the neighborhood is a neighboorhood. Is there high crime and unemployment?

It is (supposedly) one of the worst areas in London (though nowhere near as bad as the north of the country) for unemployment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14438924

[Ferrets54]

The rioting problem still exist 26 years after. Somone should have learned the lesson. Happy now, Mongrel?

Ohh an I will watch what I say from now on so you dont come and Anders Breivik me

What's the lesson?

[Stavroforos]

Apologies if I missed someone address this from the OP. I skimmed the thread.

From the pics in the article, (not much there, too be sure) this doesn't appear to be a particularly bad neighborhood. I didn't read anything in the article that implies that the neighborhood is a neighboorhood. Is there high crime and unemployment?

What's the premise for the quoted portion of your post, Stav?

I could have sworn I read that Tottenham was a bad neighborhood.

Oh right so racial stereotyping is your aim with this thread?

What...?

[Knight_Of_Ne]

So the police shot one of their own guys for justification to shoot this kid dead?

You do not live on the planet if you think that is what happened.

A reasonable scenario may be an accidental discharge or something and panic ensuing resulting in someone dead and another injured.

Ne

[Azog 150]

From the pics in the article, (not much there, too be sure) this doesn't appear to be a particularly bad neighborhood. I didn't read anything in the article that implies that the neighborhood is a neighboorhood. Is there high crime and unemployment?

Tottenham is known these days to be a pretty dodgy area from what I have heard- one of the chief areas in N.London for gang violence and the like

[(s)AINT]

If that was the case, that doesn't justify the rioting and acting like animals in the streets.

Tottenham is known these days to be a pretty dodgy area from what I have heard- one of the chief areas in N.London for gang violence and the like

IE: South Central, LA?

[Knight_Of_Ne]

If that was the case, that doesn't justify the rioting and acting like animals in the streets.

I couldn't agree with you more. This just seems like people fighting for the sake of it.

Ne

[mongrel]

So the police shot one of their own guys for justification to shoot this kid dead?

You do not live on the planet if you think that is what happened.

The emerging evidence says that a police issue bullet hit the cop. The non-police issue gun found at the scene was found in a sock allegedly.

I don't need a degree in forensic science to work this one out, my best guess is accidental discharge, but let the experts tell us on Monday.

Apologies if I missed someone address this snippet from the OP. I skimmed the thread.

From the pics in the article, (not much there, too be sure) this doesn't appear to be a particularly bad neighborhood. I didn't read anything in the article that implies that the neighborhood is a neighboorhood. Is there high crime and unemployment?

Like anywhere else in the less fashionable parts of outer London, crime falling except mugging and burglary of late. Economically buggered as Waltham Forest and Newham will be raking in the investment from the Olympics project. Recently had a Enterprise Zone application turned down.

[Azog 150]

IE: South Central, LA?

Not anywhere near the same level. Its areas SE London that is the most notorious for gang violence, but again no where near the levels of the ghettos in the US

[mongrel]

If that was the case, that doesn't justify the rioting and acting like animals in the streets.
IE: South Central, LA?

Agreed, although I don't think they knew. The truth will emerge next week.

[xcorps]

Tottenham is known these days to be a pretty dodgy area from what I have heard- one of the chief areas in N.London for gang violence and the like

Is this Tottenham Green or Tottenham Hale?

The crime stats I was able to find show that while the crime rate is higher than adjacent wards, the large majority of the crime is for "anti social behavior".

What kind of crimes are "anti social behavior"?

[Ferrets54]

What...?

Trying to establish what British and Greek people do according to them being British/Greek?

[Knight_Of_Ne]

Is this Tottenham Green or Tottenham Hale?

The crime stats I was able to find show that while the crime rate is higher than adjacent wards, the large majority of the crime is for "anti social behavior".

What kind of crimes are "anti social behavior"?

Anti-social behaviour can cover anything from repeated abuse to vandalism as well as a large variety of other things. Its a vague term that can mean anything.

Ne

[Elemental]

Well no I am not happy. The causes for the riot were different. We had also had poll tax riots after that, G20 riots after that . You did not mention those A tad strange that you have to go back 26 years to find a predominantly black riot. Any reason?

This is not a popular uprising, or a revolt against the police, it's thieves robbing shops. That might change if the police account of the shooting is proven to be false as new evidence seems to suggest.

Both riots where in Tottenham. Both riots started because the mob blamed the police for a death. Both riots targeted police officers.

[xcorps]

Anti-social behaviour can cover anything from repeated abuse to vandalism as well as a large variety of other things. Its a vague term that can mean anything.

Ne

The reason I ask is because of it's seperation from violent crimes.

I managed to lose the link I was looking at somehow.
EDIT: http://maps.met.police.uk/access.php...APGR&sort=rate
Is the discontent evidenced from the riots a product of police activity, or a release of frustration from economic conditions? One article mentioned that "youth funding" (whatever that is) dropped 30% last year in this area.

Again, apologies if this has been covered.

[Knight_Of_Ne]

Both riots where in Tottenham. Both riots started because the mob blamed the police for a death. Both riots targeted police officers.

These riots in no way target police officers, they are more about looting and causing trouble in general.

The reason I ask is because of it's seperation from violent crimes.

I managed to lose the link I was looking at somehow.

Is the discontent evidenced from the riots a product of police activity, or a release of frustration from economic conditions? One article mentioned that "youth funding" (whatever that is) dropped 30% last year in this area.

Again, apologies if this has been covered

I cannot answer that at all, i'm not really familiar with the social problems in Tottenham. But my guess would be its history of gang crime and unemployment.

Ne

[Sir Astor]

Things are apparently hotting up in Enfield, quite literally. This, allegedly, was the Enfield Krispy Kreme.

I mean, really? Burning down a Donut shop? Now they really have gone too far.

[mongrel]

Both riots where in Tottenham. Both riots started because the mob blamed the police for a death. Both riots targeted police officers.

Most if not all riots target police officers. This so-called riot targetted PC World, (computers not police constables) JB Sports and Argos.

We all know why you picked a 26 year-old event and that you have no interest the factors motivating such lawlessness.From what I can see the Met are acting as incompetent morons once again.

Things are apparently hotting up in Enfield, quite literally. This, allegedly, was the Enfield Krispy Kreme.

I mean, really? Burning down a Donut shop? Now they really have gone too far.

The reason I ask is because of it's seperation from violent crimes.

I managed to lose the link I was looking at somehow.

Is the discontent evidenced from the riots a product of police activity, or a release of frustration from economic conditions? One article mentioned that "youth funding" (whatever that is) dropped 30% last year in this area.

Again, apologies if this has been covered.

I have seen a number of left wing bloggers suggesting stuff along the above lines . But we are "all in this together". I suspect it was unscrupulous people finding a weakness and exploiting it.

[Ferrets54]

Both riots where in Tottenham. Both riots started because the mob blamed the police for a death. Both riots targeted police officers.

What's the lesson, again?