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    Hey yall, what does roma victor mean?
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    I dont speak latin but its kinda easy to guess..

    Roma = Rome
    Victor = Is victorious/Has conquered/Wins/whatever variant you like
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    It's incorrect Latin isn't it? It's supposedly Roma Victa or something...

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    I dont think victa, i thought that means 'has been conquered' or something, though i did see a mention of the phrase put into the feminine 'Roma Victrix'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justinian
    It's incorrect Latin isn't it? It's supposedly Roma Victa or something...
    I thought the same thing, then I realized that could mean Rome ConquerED. Since Victus is the 4th participle or somesuch or vinco, vincere, to conquer...therefore when made into an adjective or somesuch the feminine version to correspond with Roma (which is feminine)...is Victa.

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    Well i have to wait all summer till i take latin in freshman year of highschool. lol
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    A game called "Roma Victor" recently had this problem.

    http://www.roma-victor.com/community...hlight=victrix

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    Has this got anything to do with RTW? Looks to me like a linguistically discussion, moved.

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    Isn't this kind of assuming that your basic Roman soldier would have a good grasp of grammar anyway? English-speaking peons shouting victory-cries at sports events get grammar wrong all the time, and the incorrect version is then taken up as a standard phrase by people who can speak it correctly. It's like middle-class white people saying 'You got game!' and nonsense like that. Why shouldn't ignorant Roman soldiers shout Roma Victor because they just liked the sound of it, and then their superiors adopt the phrase when out in the field (not in polite Roman society, obviously)?
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    It sounds cool when Russell Crowe shouts it while leading a cavalry charge. Let it go

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    'Victor' is also the nominative of the noun victor.
    'Roma' is similarly just the nominative of the noun Rome. Basically, I don't understand either, but I'm not done my studies.

    Did some googling:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_invicta

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    The (quite) famous Legio XX Valeria Victrix was present at Boudicca's revolt in 60 and 61 AD, being awarded afterwards with the name Valeria Victrix ('Valiant and Victorious'). So I guess victrix means 'victorious'. In that case, Roma victrix ('Roma is victorious') is correct.
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    And victra would mean, for all those wondering, "having been conquered".

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    I'm not advanced enough in Latin to really argue any of the points, but I would pose a question-

    In the case of Victrix...isn't that an adjective that can change endings based on what it modifies?...Also, I thought we were talking about vinco, vincere in the sense of conquering....would victorious mean the same thing?

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    Yes, and Victrix is the feminine I guess (Valeria Victrix...)
    vinco, vincere, vici, victus I believe is the verb's four principle parts; I conquer, To conquer, I conquered (veni vidi vici) and Having been conquered.

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    Veni, Vidi, Vici. Oh, sorry, what were we talking about?

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    It is posts like that ^^ that tell you a thread has run its course
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    And I will bring it back on course.

    Vae Patientia means "Woe to the Suffering" right? This is important and has to be exactly correct.

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    Okay...

    Question was answered and now we're having a random Latin discussion. Alright!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menander
    Okay...

    Question was answered and now we're having a random Latin discussion. Alright!
    Its important. And fit the topic.

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