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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99

    according to wikipedia, China only has 800 in service and it's China's main battle tank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
    The U.S. has 6000 in operation and by the size of the article, it's way more advanced.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertclive View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99

    according to wikipedia, China only has 800 in service and it's China's main battle tank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
    The U.S. has 6000 in operation and by the size of the article, it's way more advanced.
    But the Type 99 packs a punch.

    Don't forget the environment of China. It changes, a lot. The Abrams would loose many just tracking through China.

    There's only so much ammo the US can pour out against the Chinese, North Koreans, and Russians before the public on both sides agree the war is useless.


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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    But the Abraham packs a bigger punch and there's a lot more of them. Coastal China doesn't seem like a hostile environment.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    No it doesn't.
    Last edited by Mortality; August 06, 2011 at 02:58 PM.


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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Mutually Assured Destruction? The end of the world as we know it?

    Yeah...


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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Purge View Post
    Mutually Assured Destruction? The end of the world as we know it?

    Yeah...
    This.

    Honestly. This would be the only end to the war.

    The world as we know it comes to a end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    But the Type 99 packs a punch.

    Don't forget the environment of China. It changes, a lot. The Abrams would loose many just tracking through China.

    There's only so much ammo the US can pour out against the Chinese, North Koreans, and Russians before the public on both sides agree the war is useless.
    Does it matter? The airforce would knock out any Chinese tank that dared to show its head.
    “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions.” ― John Maynard Keynes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Scott View Post
    Does it matter? The airforce would knock out any Chinese tank that dared to show its head.
    Does it matter that the Russians and Chinese would keep your airforce busy?


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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    But the Type 99 packs a punch.
    So does the Abrams? The depleted uranium armor on an Abrams is so tough that other Abrams who have fire don it can't penetrate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    Don't forget the environment of China. It changes, a lot. The Abrams would loose many just tracking through China.
    Don't forget the Abrams has been tested in many enviroments. I doubt Chinese terrain will be much trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    There's only so much ammo the US can pour out against the Chinese, North Koreans, and Russians before the public on both sides agree the war is useless.
    The war is completely impossible anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertclive View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_99

    according to wikipedia, China only has 800 in service and it's China's main battle tank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1_Abrams
    The U.S. has 6000 in operation and by the size of the article, it's way more advanced.
    The Type 99 isn't China's main MBT. It's the Type 96, and there are currently 2,500 in service. And keep in mind that at least a third of those M1 Abrams tanks are tied down in Iraq, Afghanistan, and various Cold-War era bases in Eastern Europe and Germany. How long would it take to airlift those tanks (the M1 Abrams is the current heaviest tank in service today) from the Middle East to the battlefield?

    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type96.asp

    And are you seriously judging the level of advancement of something by the size of the article? Wikipedia is an american website based in the US. How many contributorsdo you think there would be to the chinese articles? And do you actually think that the entire wikipedia article on the M1 Abrams would be experts drooling over the awesome tech of the Abrams?
    Last edited by CoconutFred; August 06, 2011 at 03:51 PM.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by The Rifleman View Post
    Does it matter that the Russians and Chinese would keep your airforce busy?
    The US has a better air force than both countries. Besides this war couldn't happen anyway. The US wouldn't be alone in any kind of war like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    The Type 99 isn't China's main MBT. It's the Type 96, and there are currently 2,500 in service. And keep in mind that at least a third of those M1 Abrams tanks are tied down in Iraq, Afghanistan, and various Cold-War era bases in Eastern Europe and Germany.
    So what? You don't think the US can't move their tanks out? Besides the US would have South Korea helping them in this war, and South Korea has some capable tanks.


    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type96.asp

    And are you seriously judging the level of advancement of something by the size of the article? Wikipedia is an american website based in the US. How many contributorsdo you think there would be to the chinese articles? And do you actually think that the entire wikipedia article on the M1 Abrams would be experts drooling over the awesome tech of the Abrams?
    Well the M1 Abrams is better than both the Type 96 and the Type 99
    Last edited by Vanoi; August 06, 2011 at 03:54 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Russia and China could seperatly beat USA ... North Korea is just for nuclear shield !

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Well the M1 Abrams is better than both the Type 96 and the Type 99
    Want to take this to the Fight Club?

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    Want to take this to the Fight Club?
    You serious? What claims do you have that Chinese tanks are better than the Abrams? I mean really? Its is the fact that the chinese tank uses a 125mm gun and the Abrams only uses a 120mm? Or is it the fact the tank goes faster? The Top 3 best MBTs in the world are the Challenger II, Leopard 2, and M1 Abrams. Chinese tanks can't match any of those tanks.
    Last edited by Vanoi; August 06, 2011 at 04:34 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    You serious? What claims do you have that Chinese tanks are better than the Abrams? I mean really? Its is the fact that the chinese tank uses a 125mm gun and the Abrams only uses a 120mm? Or is it the fact the tank goes faster? The Top 3 best MBTs in the world are the Challenger II Leopard 2, and M1 Abrams. Chinese tanks can't match any of those tanks above.
    Omg, these guys are pulling crap out of their asses

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    What are the strategic aims of both sides?

    Logistics win wars, gentlemen. The US war aims will dictate whether they win or lose: defensively they can hold Japan and South Korea. Offensively their supply lines collapse.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    You serious? What claims do you have that Chinese tanks are better than the Abrams? I mean really? Its is the fact that the chinese tank uses a 125mm gun and the Abrams only uses a 120mm? Or is it the fact the tank goes faster? The Top 3 best MBTs in the world are the Challenger II Leopard 2, and M1 Abrams. Chinese tanks can't match any of those tanks above.
    Hmmm, just like you fail to back up your argument with sources?

    Do you want to explain how Chinese tanks can't match up the the M1 Abram's AGT-1500's gas turbine engines, which cause the tank to sit on its ass for 1/3 of its 24-hour operation time? Or how Chinese diesel engines can't match the M1 Abram's failure rate in Desert Storm, where Coalition ground forces were forced to rely on other tanks and the M2 Bradley (which destroyed more Iraqi armor than the Abrams, btw)?

    The US Navy is the most powerful in the world, with some of the world's most advanced operational vessels, right? Then how come it took a year to move just half of the US's M1 inventory to the Persian Gulf?

    Let's go back to the Gulf War. A William J McCanna, an M1 driver during this conflict, reported in Armored Magazine that within 24 hours, his company had lost 4 out of 14 tanks to engine failure.

    http://www.benning.army.mil/armor/ar...ary1994web.pdf

    Quote Originally Posted by Robertclive
    Omg, these guys are pulling crap out of their asses
    I suppose thinking that the M1 Abrams is more advanced because its Wikipedia page is longer isn't pulling crap out of one's ass?

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    I really don't see the argument here.

    USA blockades China.

    Chinese economy flatlines.
    Revolution.

    War over.
    “When my information changes, I alter my conclusions.” ― John Maynard Keynes

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    Hmmm, just like you fail to back up your argument with sources?
    Please quote me on what i haven't sourced. Please do so, I am sure i cna bakc up almost everything i have claimed.

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    Do you want to explain how Chinese tanks can't match up the the M1 Abram's AGT-1500's gas turbine engines, which cause the tank to sit on its ass for 1/3 of its 24-hour operation time?
    I never claimed that?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    Or how Chinese diesel engines can't match the M1 Abram's failure rate in Desert Storm, where Coalition ground forces were forced to rely on other tanks and the M2 Bradley (which destroyed more Iraqi armor than the Abrams, btw)?
    Desert Storm? You comparing out dated M1 Abrams to modern Chinese tanks? The M1 variant of the Abrams is gone. it is not longer in service. The US uses M1A2s and M1A1s. Also mind sourcing that claim Bradley took out more armor than Abrams?

    Quote Originally Posted by CoconutFred View Post
    The US Navy is the most powerful in the world, with some of the world's most advanced operational vessels, right? Then how come it took a year to move just half of the US's M1 inventory to the Persian Gulf?
    Which war are you referring to? And the US navy is the most advance Navy in the world. Just because it takes a while to move 3000 tanks doesn't mean the Navy sucks. Where is China's Navy?
    Last edited by Vanoi; August 06, 2011 at 05:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyriakos View Post
    While you are at it, allow Germany to rearm, it's not like they committed the worst atrocity in modern history, so having a strong army can't lead to anything pitiful.

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    Default Re: Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Scott View Post
    I really don't see the argument here.

    USA blockades China.

    Chinese economy flatlines.
    Revolution.

    War over.
    that

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