Who would win in a war between the USA and a China/Russia/North Korea coalition

[Dramatic Cat]

Your not really getting it are you? This is a total war scenario. In any modern total war scenario nukes would be useed.

But the OP said no nukes unless it was a decisive final act.

And so far its been alot about winter, alaska and stuff... why hasnt anyone mentioned the 11 Aircraft Carriers currently in service in the USN... and that neither russia nor china have any only russia has one

Just saying that for the russians and chinese to win a war theyd first have to invade ... good luck getting across the pacific.

BUMP

checked mah facts - fixed XD

[Robertclive]

Because we already know the USA could win without even using its troops

[Tom Crooze]

America of course! But not with there army, but with WOLVERINES!

[Vanoi]

I also don't get why the USA gets no allies. Should we have South Korea helping us, and various other Asian countries like Japan, Thailand, and the Phillipienes? What about NATO?

[Necromancer]

And don't most Americans live in the warmer climates in the south? Cali is the most populous state as far as I'm aware. And people from new York or Washington i highly doubt knows the first thing about wilderness survival, never mind winter survival.

While California is the most populous state, the most populous region of the U.S. is the Northeast, which generally has a cooler climate mostly due to cold air traveling east from the Canadian half of the Rocky Mountains. Winter survival becomes more and more of a reality the further north you go into the Northeast.

I also don't get why the USA gets no allies. Should we have South Korea helping us, and various other Asian countries like Japan, Thailand, and the Phillipienes? What about NATO?

Because it's just a hypothetical scenario, not real life.

[RZZZA]

this "war" would really be a long stalemate though, wouldn't it? Any side that invades the other would get defeated. You're telling me America would send infantry and tanks into Russia/China and somehow they wouldn't all be destroyed?

I don't buy that. and Russia/China could never actually get their infantry and tanks over here either due to our superior navy and airforce.

This war would probably all be fought in the skies and in the seas and in cyberspace

[Robertclive]

this "war" would really be a long stalemate though, wouldn't it? Any side that invades the other would get defeated. You're telling me America would send infantry and tanks into Russia/China and somehow they wouldn't all be destroyed?

I don't buy that. and Russia/China could never actually get their infantry and tanks over here either due to our superior navy and airforce.

This war would probably all be fought in the skies and in the seas and in cyberspace

Because these countries rely off of one part of their country and once you destroy that part than it's easy. Han China can easily be destroyed by our navy and air force because of its proximity to the sea. Lol most of Russia's important area is in Europe and we could just destroy the trans Siberian rail road.

[RedGuard]

I also don't get why the USA gets no allies. Should we have South Korea helping us, and various other Asian countries like Japan, Thailand, and the Phillipienes? What about NATO?

because the op had the realization that the coalition was already ed

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

If they both refrain from nukes, it'll be the USA.

[Timefool]

The coalition would win. China has three massive advantages here. The first is obviously their huge population that they can use to fight. The second is their closeness to the front line. The third is that they have the worlds largest industrial complex. Look at how many M4s the USA made during WW2 with limited manpower and having to ship the products overseas. The industrial complex of China is easily ten times larger than that of the United States, both now and WW2. Plus resource wise they are selfsustaining in the military sense.

With all their factories switching to military production (and the fact they are at war) the United States would lose its biggest trading partner and a massive chunk of its economy. With the economy in ruin the United States would have maybe two years to finish the war or else the debt crisis would be worse than it is right now, and with China having a constant production of weapons and a constant stream of cannon fodder that is a difficult task.

[Cooraan]

The coalition would win. China has three massive advantages here. The first is obviously their huge population that they can use to fight. The second is their closeness to the front line. The third is that they have the worlds largest industrial complex. Look at how many M4s the USA made during WW2 with limited manpower and having to ship the products overseas. The industrial complex of China is easily ten times larger than that of the United States, both now and WW2. Plus resource wise they are selfsustaining in the military sense.

With all their factories switching to military production (and the fact they are at war) the United States would lose its biggest trading partner and a massive chunk of its economy. With the economy in ruin the United States would have maybe two years to finish the war or else the debt crisis would be worse than it is right now, and with China having a constant production of weapons and a constant stream of cannon fodder that is a difficult task.

And the U.S. isn't self sustaining? Also China's economy would take a much larger hit than the U.S., on top of that the the U.S. bombing campaign would take out anything China has going for it. I think you're underestimating how much of an advantage the U.S. has with Air/Naval power.

Also China's manpower won't do much if the U.S. holds air superiority, and the U.S. has bases in Japan, and Korea, distance to the frontline isn't much a problem.

[Robertclive]

The coalition would win. China has three massive advantages here. The first is obviously their huge population that they can use to fight. The second is their closeness to the front line. The third is that they have the worlds largest industrial complex. Look at how many M4s the USA made during WW2 with limited manpower and having to ship the products overseas. The industrial complex of China is easily ten times larger than that of the United States, both now and WW2. Plus resource wise they are selfsustaining in the military sense.

With all their factories switching to military production (and the fact they are at war) the United States would lose its biggest trading partner and a massive chunk of its economy. With the economy in ruin the United States would have maybe two years to finish the war or else the debt crisis would be worse than it is right now, and with China having a constant production of weapons and a constant stream of cannon fodder that is a difficult task.

Silly Derek, there's a lot for you to learn. China relies off of other nations to buy its cheap goods(mainly the US) and when that partner is gone then they're screwed. The USA could find another unstable country to exploit while China would have to find another country willing to purchase the same amount of imports to maintain its economy. Huger population also means higher upkeep, so most of the civilians will be working instead of fighting. Oh, but China has all those factories that can easily out produce the USA. Derek, where are most of those factories at? On or near the coast of East or South China sea. Guess who's going to be bombing the **** out of that coast while the Chinese sit and take it? The USA. Also, guess where most of most of the higher valued Chinese people live? Near the coast again. China relies too much off of its eastern coast. It would be much different if it relied off its historic Silk road route. Where's China going to trade? It's natural barriers are playing against it now. Also the fact that coastal area of China is developed and Inner China is basically third world with crappy infrastructure makes it worse for them.

[Marshy]

USA.

[Tom Crooze]

Why are you all ignoring the American WOLVERINE advantage?

[Mr. Scott]

Can you point to Korea on a map, sir?

All China has to do is ask for the US's debt back, The US is broke, Russia sends soldiers rushing through Alaska. North Korean nukes Seoul and takes South Korea. China puts up a defense. Russia nukes the US into submission.

The US would freeze in Siberia. Do you know how cold it is? Russia has stopped two invasions due to its winter. If you don't know, it was the French in the early 1800s and Nazi Germany in the 1940s.

But you do know there would be little homefront left for the troops to return to. The Chinese and Russians would nuke it.

When will you understand?

1.2 trillion dollars is not a lot in a country whose total assets are estimated to be 188 trillion dollars

The coalition would win. China has three massive advantages here. The first is obviously their huge population that they can use to fight. The second is their closeness to the front line. The third is that they have the worlds largest industrial complex. Look at how many M4s the USA made during WW2 with limited manpower and having to ship the products overseas. The industrial complex of China is easily ten times larger than that of the United States, both now and WW2. Plus resource wise they are selfsustaining in the military sense.

With all their factories switching to military production (and the fact they are at war) the United States would lose its biggest trading partner and a massive chunk of its economy. With the economy in ruin the United States would have maybe two years to finish the war or else the debt crisis would be worse than it is right now, and with China having a constant production of weapons and a constant stream of cannon fodder that is a difficult task.

Tell me what would those Chinese conscripts do?
Swim across the ocean and invade Los Angeles?
I'd like to see them try.

Also, Canada is the US's biggest trading partner.
On the other hand, China's biggest trading partner is the US.

Also, you do know that any Chinese factory capable of producing weaponry would be annihilated by American airpower right?

Also, most chinese factories make toys and small electronics. It would not be easy to switch into military production.

On the other hand, something close to 50% of US manufacturing is industrial equipment. That can be easily converted into war factories, and unlike Chinese factories, would go unbombed.

Also, if you were to account for all US allies, that composes around 80-90% of all of China's exports.

[a tw player]

Why do people keep bringing NATO/EU into this? The OP clearly states they don't get involved in this scenario

[Mr. Scott]

Why do people keep bringing NATO/EU into this? The OP clearly states they don't get involved in this scenario

So what South Korea is just going to be sitting there?

[a tw player]

So what South Korea is just going to be sitting there?

If such a war were to occur, realistically no. But would Russia, China and North Korea ally to fight the US realistically? No

So clearly this is just a hypothetical scenario rather than what would be considered realistic.

[Mr. Scott]

If such a war were to occur, realistically no. But would Russia, China and North Korea ally to fight the US realistically? No

So clearly this is just a hypothetical scenario rather than what would be considered realistic.

Even then, much strength of the American dominance is its entangling alliance with nearly every nation in the world haha.

I mean, only in our age can you categorize the world into: Those allied with the US and those heads who aren't (jk of course)

[IZob]

Haven't you guys played CoD? Russia has gotten pretty close at defeating the US single handedly