Battle of çaldiran
Battle of çaldiran
That's actually wrong, it is another battle from Shah Abbas' reign. The figure with the long mustache is actually shah Abbas and the figure adjacent is Hafiz Ahmed Pasha. Thus making it either the battle of Sufiyan or the 4th Siege of Baghdad.
Money, might I interject? After doing some research, I think I see the confusion here. I believe you have noticed that the painting is indeed Persian and not Ottoman (its from the Chehel Sotoun in Isfahan, built during the reign of Abbas II), so it would be naturally confusing to think that the Safavid's painted an Ottoman victory. However... I still believe that this is Ismail I and Selim I (questionable), and the Battle of Chaldiran.
See the Fresco, which shows the mass of Ottoman cannons wiping out the Safavid cavalry:
Apparently, the painting was meant to honor the charge of Ismail's cavalry, even though the battle was a defeat. A glorious defeat?
Last edited by Favor Daver; August 01, 2013 at 07:38 PM.
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If so the people depicted are certainly not Ismail nor Selim, the guy on the bottom is definitely Abbas I and the guy facing him is Hafiz Ahmed Pasha. Perhaps that is what is so confusing although now that I see it it is the Battle of Chaldiran. But the figures it portrays are completely wrong, it seems likely that Abbas II may have depicted himself or his grandfather Abbas I as Ismail. But really who it depicts makes no sense and actually portrays two figures from another battle in 1600. Sorry for the confusion.
No need for any apologies, mate! I'm glad you brought up this discussion. It's an interesting debacle and we still don't have any definitive answers. I've noticed so many inconsistencies surrounding these pieces. So many sites have them titled differently. I even see this website, mixing up Abbas I and II do you agree?
http://warfare.uphero.com/Persia/Che...un_Frescos.htm
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Another point you made I forgot to mention, you're right, that surely doesn't look like Selim I. I haven't seen any depictions of Selim I with a beard. The Grand Vizier during Chaldiran was Hersekzade Ahmed Pasha or Dukakinzade Ahmed Pasha, maybe? I didn't find any portraits of Hafiz Ahmed Pasha.
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In that Chaldiran picture it seems like the enemy figure is a Sultan based on his hat. But it seems more like the long bearded Hafiz Ahmed Pasha (who was some sort of religious guy). I have never seen Hafiz Ahmed Pasha either but I remember reading in some old a book about Abbas I they showed the painting and really I can understand why. Maybe this is like when they depicted Roman battles to be like a medieval battle in the Middle ages or something.
LOL man you people really scan these pictures with your eyes.
Wait so what about the Siege of Rhodes thing, no one has told me anything about it or any of that.
I think you can post the next picture, Money
Nobody posts here so i'll do it.
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Ipsus?
Edit: it has to be the battle of Gaza 312BCE, from Ancient Warfare.
Last edited by Blatta Optima Maxima; August 05, 2013 at 11:15 AM.
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I've casually discovered a gold mine of fantastic battle pics, really a fantastic gallery, in which Blatta is deeply immersed .....
Battle of saint quentin???
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Yes, it is! Saint Quentin 1557 by the great Artist Angel Garcia Pinto! It's a detail from one of his work titled 'Arrabales de san Quintin 1557'
Here his site: http://angelgpinto.blogspot.it/