Modding the Ptolemies, Armenians, Legions, Greeks, Seleucids etc ...

**Ecthelion** · January 16, 2005, 11:34 AM

For the pre-Marian units I think the infantry models can stay intact. All the research I've done shows that the vanilla models are reasonably accurate. The only model that needs any real work is the equites one. Equites had capes and chainmail armor with usually oval shields. They were really more heavy cavalry than they were light. Only the most affluent of Romans could become equites cause only they could afford battle-worthy horses.

The rest of the Republican army would look awesome with a quick reskin. I could help with making the Brutii, Scipii and Senate skins after the Julii ones are finished (I'm just blindly assuming that you will skin those first).

**GODzilla** · January 16, 2005, 04:58 PM

Hey ferres and all others: I just found out what is causing the problem with the ghost-feathers of the early general (the feathers that appear when you zoom out). Ok, that's not correct, I found out how you can get rid of it: Set the "unit details" to "maximum", instead of "high" or something below.

I know this is not really a solution, but it's a good beginning. For some reason (I don't know what) the feathers appear when you don't have your unit detail set to "maximum".....

I found this when trying a custom battle with an julii republic army. The Hastati (absolutely unmodded, used the default skins and default models, with gloss) show white lines/marks at their shoulder, it looks like the restriction of a ghost texture, actually bigger than the normal texture. I really never saw this before. Maybe my litte graficcard is saying goodbye LOL (it's a brand new GF6800GT ^^).

**ferres** · January 16, 2005, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by GODzilla@Jan 16 2005, 05:58 PM
Hey ferres and all others: I just found out what is causing the problem with the ghost-feathers of the early general (the feathers that appear when you zoom out). Ok, that's not correct, I found out how you can get rid of it: Set the "unit details" to "maximum", instead of "high" or something below.

GODzilla, the bodyguards should have feathers and plumes. That is the distinction of all the bodyguard units. I think the high.cas file got weird somehow.

Download this version of the Guard Cavs here:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?s...ic=14652&st=100

**ferres** · January 16, 2005, 09:53 PM

I suspect that there is a mix-up between 2 'high.cas' files. The early bodyguards have a separate 'high.cas' model compared to the Aux archers. Note only the 'high' versions are different. The med, low, lowest use the same models.
:blush
MAXIMVS, go to page 9. Scroll down and get the Augustinain version of early legionaries. That should fix the oval shield issue.

A bit of news. I am testing a new Aux infantry/medium cav unit, resembling the pics you guys sent. It is looking good and I am also trying out a different 'chainmail' texture for them. The shield size is very close to the pics(not too big). I was surprised at how they aligned well with the spear during 'ready' stance. No clipping, except for the guys at the back. *OD*

**Attalus** · January 17, 2005, 01:56 AM

Well...that works!

I have material plumage

:

No more ectoplasm...

I have tried fooling around with different officers for different units...but the results are not satisfying me...

Would you be inclined to explore this possibilty as per my post on page 10?:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/index.php?s...ic=14652&st=180

: :wack

**ferres** · January 17, 2005, 10:08 AM

I have been toying with officer models but these are the ones that are really incomplete, especially the Generals.
There are two officers I plan to do. A Cavalry officer and a new Feather/plumed Centurion for the Praetorian/Urban cohorts and carries a mid sized shield.

If you give an officer a large scutum, you'll get a lot of shield/sword clipping.

**GODzilla** · January 17, 2005, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by ferres@Jan 17 2005, 05:08 PM
I have been toying with officer models but these are the ones that are really incomplete, especially the Generals.
There are two officers I plan to do. A Cavalry officer and a new Feather/plumed Centurion for the Praetorian/Urban cohorts and carries a mid sized shield.

If you give an officer a large scutum, you'll get a lot of shield/sword clipping.

Anything new for the pre-marian units? Would be nice to see some work-in-progress pics

.

**ferres** · January 17, 2005, 10:33 AM

The pre-marians are still very unsatisfying. After the patch, then I'll get serious with them.

**Dux of Earl** · January 17, 2005, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by ferres@Jan 17 2005, 11:08 AM
I have been toying with officer models but these are the ones that are really incomplete, especially the Generals.
There are two officers I plan to do. A Cavalry officer and a new Feather/plumed Centurion for the Praetorian/Urban cohorts and carries a mid sized shield.

If you give an officer a large scutum, you'll get a lot of shield/sword clipping.

Salve ferres,

I've been using the Centurion With Shield mod published by Alcibiades for several days... all my cohorts have either an Early or Imperial Centurion with Shield... they all are Red.. fine by me, helps me spot them better in the Chaos...

The Centurion uses a regular sized, rectangular scutum... a bit smaller than your Augustinian clipped Gallic on the sides.. and I haven't noticed any substantial sword/shield clipping at all...

Here, take a look for yourself, the zips, tga's and other dds stuf is in this thread about Pikemen (of all places&#33

:

Alcibiades Of Athens Thread With Posts Releasing Centurion With Shield Mod

Seems like a regular sized, rectangular Scutum would be the way to go for Foot Centurions and Foot Generals..

For Mounted Decurions in Cavalry Alae, a large flat oval... for Mounted Generals, a round Parma..

Vale, Dux of Earl

**ferres** · January 17, 2005, 10:58 AM

Hmmm.

Based on how the Centurion carries the sword, it would mean he is using a none officer skeleton. If he was using a centurion skeleton, a longer sword will clip the shield.

**Dux of Earl** · January 17, 2005, 11:04 AM

Salve ferres,

Correct.. I had to change the fs_dagger to fs_swordsman so that the Centurion would fight correctly with the Scutum...

Okay for Foot, but might be a problem for Horse.. but, then again, not if the Scutum is a smaller, flat Oval or Parma for Horse mounted officers... and if you use the hc_swordsman skeleton.. or whatever the right one is.. it would probably work out ok..

Vale, Dux of Earl

**doctor turkey** · January 17, 2005, 02:15 PM

Guys!
Can You put a cas with dds files of that wonderful signifier, the best i've ever seen? please
Great job- watching Your progress with the legions,
greetings!

**Attalus** · January 17, 2005, 02:41 PM

Ave ferres, GODzilla,

Thankyou for your reply. I will await your efforts with much anticipation!

**Attalus** · January 17, 2005, 02:43 PM

Double post again... :blush

**MAXIMVS** · January 17, 2005, 04:18 PM

Many thanks Ferres.

I'd changed yesterday to the early 1st cohort skins which were OK, but now I've replaced them again with your Augustinians as suggested.

They're perfect.

Looking forward to the Auxilia ...

And yes, the signifer looks rather nice doen't he?

Ave!

**Dux of Earl** · January 17, 2005, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by doctor turkey+Jan 17 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td> (doctor turkey @ Jan 17 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Guys!
Can You put a cas with dds files of that wonderful signifier, the best i've ever seen? please
Great job- watching Your progress with the legions,
greetings![/b]

Salve doctore of turkey,

That appears to be one of Prometheus' Signifers.. the Manus (hand) Signifer... and we ain't seein any of those skins until ALL of the EB mod is done...

Of course, Prometheus did hint that he would release 'factory-seconds' to the public... and his latest Manus Signifer has a Parma attached to his left arm... so, hmmmmmmm?.. maybe he'll release this no-Parma Signifer as a factory reject?... who knows..

In the meantime, I am aware of 3 other types of Signifers/Aquilifers that ARE available...

#1 is the stock Signfer... we all know where that one is..

Then.. there is #2... a no-mask Aquilifer by Arcani in the Download area of the TWC webbsite... here is the d/l link:
LegionaryEagleStandard

And then... there is #3.... the Masked Aquilifer by Alcibiades of Athens:

<!--QuoteBegin-Alcibiades Of Athens
BTW, I made a mask for Arcani's excellent Standardbearer , but something feels strange about it, perhaps someone wants to take a look.

Attached File ( Number of downloads: 28 )
LegioStandard.rar[/quote]

So, I have 3 different Legion standards and I use all of them...

#1 for all pre-Marian Cohorts, all Auxillia, Archers, Light Infantry...
#2 for all Marian I & Imperial II Cohorts (except First Cohorts)..
#3 for Marian I & Imperial II First Cohorts, all Praetorian Cohorts & all Urban Cohorts...

That way, I can see all 3 types on the battlefield at the same time..

But, if you want to use #3, then you'll have to create another officer unit in the descr_model_battle file and then transfer its defintion label to export_descr_unit file.. which ain't as hard as it sounds...

So, until Prometheus releases his Manus (hand) Signifer (which will make #4), then 3 is all there is for now...

Vale, Dux of Earl

**Little Legionaire** · January 19, 2005, 07:31 AM

Ave res romanae

I was wondering about republican units like Hastati. Principes and Triari brohtherband. Any plans about them? Especially Principes and Triarii like that print:

Prometheus did made similar model to Principes Cesarae legionaire (helmet). Boar pattern shields of Principes and Triaria exremely unique and beautiful! Prometheus model here:

Te salutare

**GODzilla** · January 19, 2005, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by Little Legionaire@Jan 19 2005, 02:31 PM
Ave res romanae

I was wondering about republican units like Hastati. Principes and Triari brohtherband. Any plans about them? Especially Principes and Triarii like that print:

Prometheus did made similar model to Principes Cesarae legionaire (helmet). Boar pattern shields of Principes and Triaria exremely unique and beautiful! Prometheus model here:

Te salutare

WOOOOOOHHHHHH.......where can I get them?

**doctor turkey** · January 19, 2005, 08:31 AM

Prometheus,
First--Beautiful work with that caesarian principes(you should take care of hastati too- don't forget) ,
Second--Wonderful body armour, chain mail, shoulder armour etc, i think the helmets should be a little bit more detailed, with little parts of ornament on it,
more- body armour- should have more light on it, shine of sun( here i think the previous version was great),
question-any plans to release that super - Signifer-(seen in previous screens) but without a mask??? We all need it!!! It's the best!!
2nd- plans about releasing that principes, then hastati and triarii????? when???
saludos!!!!

**NoobMan** · January 19, 2005, 07:00 PM

Hey could you tell me how to install

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