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    John F. Kennedy's Avatar Samurai
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    Default I hate generals dying...

    Let's get this out there before we get to wild with it....

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    SHAMEFRU DISPRAY!!!!!!

    Ah, there. Not let's get to talking.

    I ing hate it when my general gets dragged into combat, and I can't get him out of it without risking his 90% chance of dead. Once he's in there I have to hope I rout the other guys or I'm screwed. Because of the system of combat, if a unit is running away and another unit attacks them, alot of the units are "automatically" selected to die. Try it yourself, watch an enemy unit running away then have another unit attack them. You will see some members of the enemy unit stop, turn around, and literally await their inevitable deaths, no fight back.

    When this happens to your general, it's enough to make me rage. Alot because I think it's kind of unfair. I mean for one, no samurai is going to go down without a fight, especially a general. If he's trying to get somewhere and some guy is in his way, he's not going to just allow himself to get stabbed, he's going to fight back. A samurai v. an ashigaru, the ashigaru is pretty much dead. Not so much the case here. If your general for some reason gets impacted into a group of ashigaru, and you want to pull him out, he's dead. Because trying to run out he just bumps and gets stuck on enemy units (how the hell a guy on a horse get's "stuck" because there's and enemy infantry in the way is beyond me, the guy would most likely have gotten pushed over irl), and then when the automatic combat system kicks in to "set up" a fight, your general is slid over to some guy and then killed.

    Now maybe if my general could fight back a little, or any unit for that matter, I wouldn't care so much. But it's just ing annoying watching your guy run in place only to be pulled by an invisible force over to some other guy. Yes I know, should have kept my general away from the fight, great idea if I could guarantee that. But when it does happen, ugh. I miss the Medieval II combat system every once in awhile.
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    HadrianX's Avatar Ikko-Ikki
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    Default Re: I hate generals dying...

    At least in this game your general doesn't fall victim to a trebuchet operator, or if one horseman gets ahead or behind the pack it doesn't stop the whole cavalry charge

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    mesor's Avatar Taihō no heishi
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    Default Re: I hate generals dying...

    Mine do fight back .

    Happened to me earlier lol a unit of my ronin katana got routed after holding my faltering center against 5 full enemy units for 5 minutes with 2 pretty cut up units of Yari ronin.
    They broke and ran and an enemy unit chased them then they caught my men and 10 of my men stopped and actually routed the enemy unit lol.
    5 seconds later my general arrived to rally the katana's and they rammed back into the fight and cleaved a path through 3 ashingaru units outnumbered 63 to about 350.
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    With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient.
    It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
    The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
    The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
    The dark’s patience is infinite.
    Eventually, even stars burn out.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
    It always wins because it is everywhere.
    It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
    The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.


    The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
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    Default Re: I hate generals dying...

    Your underlying problem is the animations.

    The animations have one big problem in terms of melee combat. There are no back stab animations or wound animations of any sort. Instead there is only 1v1 front on front animations where a target is chosen from the distance and is predetermined to do so.

    CA should really add independent animations, or back stab animations, wound animations, multiple enemies vs 1 guy animations. I mean it's ridiculous to have one guy on horseback surrounded by pikemen but hes only in combat with one other dude while all the other pikemen are just standing there.

    This really needs to be fixed for Rome, where shields and armor made a difference in melee combat.
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    mesor's Avatar Taihō no heishi
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    Yup unlike medieval where a unit of very heavily armored knights on foot can fight a unit of light swordmen and still lose 1/3 of there men even though they have better training better weapons and better armor.

    In what world could 60 men in leather armor with tiny round shields kill 20 out of a unit of 60 knights wearing plate armor from head to toe with better weapons and a big metal shield?
    They'd be lucky to kill 5 let alone kill 1/3 of the unit.

    Armor and weapons seem pointless on med it makes almost no difference at all even in siege battles if u place heavy infantry on ur wall and an enemy light infantry drops into them from a tower the 10 initial men will kill 10-15 of ur men even though there so horribly out classed that they should be hacked to pieces in seconds.
    I am the shadow, and the smoke in your eyes I am the ghost, that hides in the night.

    We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
    we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
    we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
    we shall fight on the beaches,
    we shall fight on the landing grounds,
    we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
    we shall fight in the hills;
    we shall never surrender.

    " The dark is generous.
    Its first gift is concealment: our true faces lie in the dark beneath our skins, our true hearts remain shadowed deeper still. But the greatest concealment lies not in protecting our secret truths, but in hiding from the truths of others.
    The dark protects us from what we dare not know.
    Its second gift is comforting illusion: the ease of gentle dreams in night’s embrace, the beauty that imagination brings to what would repel in the day’s harsh light. But the greatest of its comforts is the illusion that dark is temporary: that every night brings a new day. Because it’s the day that is temporary.
    Day is the illusion.
    Its third gift is the light itself: as days are defined by the nights that divide them, as stars are defined by the infinite black through which they wheel, the dark embraces the light, and brings it forth from the center of its own self.
    With each victory of the light, it is the dark that wins.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient.
    It is the dark that seeds cruelty into justice, that drips contempt into compassion, that poisons love with grains of doubt.
    The dark can be patient, because the slightest drop of rain will cause those seeds to sprout.
    The rain will come, and the seeds will sprout, for the dark is the soil in which they grow, and it is the clouds above them, and it waits behind the star that gives them light.
    The dark’s patience is infinite.
    Eventually, even stars burn out.


    The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins.
    It always wins because it is everywhere.
    It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet.
    The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.


    The dark is generous and it is patient and it always wins – but in the heart of its strength lies its weakness: one lone candle is enough to hold it back.
    Love is more than a candle.
    Love can ignite the stars."



    Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end.

    You began the war.

    I am going to end it!

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    synagas's Avatar Ashigaru
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    Default Re: I hate generals dying...

    I haven't had issues with this actually. My last Takeda camp that I just finished up had no generals die and I used them all the time in battle. Or rather, I used support generals in battle, the main one just to kill run away's. My main goes down the middle tree getting things like Stand and Fight, Cavalry Commander and Infantry Commander, while my fighting generals go down the right tree exclusively (all get 3 points Poet though just for tech. With DM its 25% for three points, and even so takes 5-7 turns for the bottom tech with 250% increase). Great fighters, sturdy armor and high damage. And that is with pulling them back to recharge.

    You are right though that when you break away you seem to lose quite a few men, but in battle that would make sense. If you try to pull back your attention is getting out and not fighting so some will get killed or wounded trying to escape. Maybe not as bad as it gets at times, but pulling away I only lose 10% or so if the enemy unit is only against my cavalry unit, less if other units engage it.
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