Saving Private Ryan's plot looks stupid

[Mr.noob]

This movie is great but i dont understand why should we waste many soldier's life just to save a private? Why not just let him alone?

[Darkhorse]

This sort of stuff did occasionally happen. Whilst "Saving Private Ryan" is fictional, it is based on truth, There was a Private Ryan who needed saving in one of the British armoured units, but primarily there was a group of brothers in the US military as well.

[conon394]

Well as the mention the War department got a black eye for allowing the five Sulleven brothers too all serve together at Guadalcanal and die (and couple others). Informally at least the US started sending sole survivors home, or at least out of combat.

What has always bugged me is the charging the Machine Gun suicidal attack. Its off mission, and if you have an excellent sniper and you do want to go off mission why not let him work around till he can off the Germans?

[Darkhorse]

They also ignore the Bazooka laying there in front of them. , and the whole wide open flanks....

[KEA]

What has always bugged me is the charging the Machine Gun suicidal attack. Its off mission, and if you have an excellent sniper and you do want to go off mission why not let him work around till he can off the Germans?

IIRC the orignal plan was to charge into the MG-42 until the crew has to change barrles - this would have been after about 500 shots, that is after two complete belts(!). Realistical? Well.....

Apart from the opening scene that movie is not really a good one (compared to true masterpieces like The Thin Red Line).

[Comrade_Rory]

Saving Private Ryan was one of the most overrated pieces of crap ever.
It really annoys me haha.

Like for example, when the sniper guy is telling them what tanks are coming and he says something like 2 Panzers and 2 Tigers...
Even though a Tiger is a Panzer and as far as others could be aware, maybe he was talking about 2 Panzer I's? 'cause then you wouldn't need to worry as you could probably take it out with a strong fart.
Then of course you have the fact that there isn't just 2 "Panzers" and 2 Tigers because i'm pretty sure there's a Marder (or something like it) and some other stuff aswell... which i'm sure deserves mentioning.

All that aside, correct me if i'm wrong, but the Americans didn't even encounter Tiger tanks by this point in the invasion of France? I was under the impression that the British were fighting the Tiger tanks at this time but they were redeployed to fight the Americans after a couple of weeks or so.

Anyway, you don't need to save Jason Bourne.

[Markas]

Saving Private Ryan was one of the most overrated pieces of crap ever.
It really annoys me haha.

Damn straight brother. Unfortunately there's a SPR mafia that won't hear a word of it. I point out things like Tom Hanks being the least convincing Ranger Captain (or soldier) of all time, the unintentionally hilarious long off-into-the-near distance stares that Spielbergs insist in his movies and the attempt at dehumanising the Germans by giving them crew-cuts (which only served to let the audience think the 'steam-boat Willy' German was the one that killed Mellish at the end when it wasn't, even wiki has it wrong) and you have a good movie but not by any means a great one. Actor Richard Todd said it was 'Rubbish. Overdone' and I have a hard time wholly disagreeing with him.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go to my Bunker before the Tom Hanks mafia gets here.

[Dr. Croccer]

The entire Omaha Beach intro is excellent. The rest of the movie is really meh-ish, with a ton of cliches: Germans who all look like skinheads, bland characters, pointless acts of heroic self-sacrifice, silly and overdone action scenes, and so on.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Spielberg hates thoe Germans... and Japanese (courtesy of Empire of the Sun).

[Kitsunegari]

I liked the scene where the cowardly translator won't help the guy fighting the German POW, kind of a break from the heroic GI theme.

[Ketnix]

Yea that whole Tiger thing is quite wack. The Panzer reserves that were stationed far away from Normandy took days to reach the front lines. For example the 101st heavy SS panzer battalion took 5 days to march 260km to Villers Bocage before it finally saw action around the town on the 13th.

I enjoyed the movie for its action but nothing more. Its not some masterpeice that its often said to be.

[Morbius Sire]

Saving Private Ryan was one of the most overrated pieces of crap ever.
It really annoys me haha.

Like for example, when the sniper guy is telling them what tanks are coming and he says something like 2 Panzers and 2 Tigers...
Even though a Tiger is a Panzer and as far as others could be aware, maybe he was talking about 2 Panzer I's? 'cause then you wouldn't need to worry as you could probably take it out with a strong fart.
Then of course you have the fact that there isn't just 2 "Panzers" and 2 Tigers because i'm pretty sure there's a Marder (or something like it) and some other stuff aswell... which i'm sure deserves mentioning.

They don't have to be that realistic. Yes a tiger is panzer but it can also be identified as a tiger to properly prepare for it.
The initial proper name for it is Panzerkampfwagen VI While a panzer 4 is a Panzerkampfwagen IV; as you can see the full name itself doesn't sound very terrifying.
iirc, also Panzerkampfwagen Tiger works because it was an acceptable terminology by the Germans.


If I remember right, that was a Marder III to be specific.

[Darkhorse]

The Tiger was really a T-34 and IIRC the Stug like thing was based on an FV432. Fun fact.

[conon394]

Germans who all look like skinheads

They were foot soldiers for the Hitler and the Nazis I don't see why they should be at all sympathetic. It was not a book but a movie visual references are important.

Spielberg hates thoe Germans... and Japanese (courtesy of Empire of the Sun).

And there is a reason he should not?


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I mean it was not a Documentary but a Drama - you know entertainment not a verbatim replication of facts. Its been that way 2500 years look at Athenian drama they had no problem having a king Thesus juxtaposed with a democracy... At points the melodrama was over the top and as I said I have some issues with sequences that seem internally inconstant. I'm not sure I see Tom Hanks as a bad ranger why? My grandfather was not an uber he man type but his eyesight got him made a B-29 tail gunner at 32 when his plane got shot down he spent something like 9 months in occupied Asia living with anti japan locals before they could get him back to India and than he was back in service not a scratch or mark on him even though he was never a boy scout and had been a skilled tradesman in Detroit his whole life and certainly knew absolutely nothing about Asia or Burma etc.

So Markas what makes a convincing soldier?

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

Speilberg fought in the Pacific or is he Chinese or something?

[Ketnix]

The Tiger was really a T-34 and IIRC the Stug like thing was based on an FV432. Fun fact.

I have no issue with this, as long as they look somewhat realistic. Plus good luck getting the one operational Tiger for a movie shoot.

[Comrade_Rory]

Yes a tiger is panzer but it can also be identified as a tiger to properly prepare for it.
The initial proper name for it is Panzerkampfwagen VI While a panzer 4 is a Panzerkampfwagen IV; as you can see the full name itself doesn't sound very terrifying.
iirc, also Panzerkampfwagen Tiger works because it was an acceptable terminology by the Germans.

Yeah i get that but it's the fact he says 2 Tigers and 2 Panzers but doesn't specify what the Panzers are... when there would be a massive difference between the threat a Panzer I would have posed and a Panzer IV would have.

[hellheaven1987]

I am under the impression that at this point of war a "Panzer" means a Panzer IV.

[Col. Tartleton]

I thought Panzer meant Armored Fighting Vehicle regardless of type? Tigers were a specific class of heavy tank. Panzer just means tank.

[Comrade_Rory]

I am under the impression that at this point of war a "Panzer" means a Panzer IV.

Ahh well if that's the case then i'm sorry. I'm sure there was still Panzer III's in use but that aside, you never actually see any other tanks other than the Tigers in the actual battle.
The Marder you see and the 2 Tigers and that's about it.