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Hopefully there will be some stuff in these DB files (thanks to CA ) that give us at least some clue about how the map files talk to each other and the exe, but I doubt it since most of that stuff is in the ESF files. Can we get a complete ESF schema next?
Anyways, looks like we'll have an awesome DB editor
I'm grateful for this guys, but since you seem so interested in help us would it be to much gives us the source of the esf files? or explain us how does the pathfinding works?
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Craig, Jack, CA folks:
This is great news and hopefully the "beginning of a beautiful friendship" among gamers -- developers and enthusiasts alike. Just ordered my copy of Shogun 2!
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thanks for the official statement,
so i understand that when you created the game you mainly worked on the raw files and thus there was no need to do what modders are trying to do now (changing the finished game), but does that mean that its difficult even for your company to edit the game files the modders work with??? i dont know how much these files you uploaded will help, but i think that some sort of dialogue/tutorials/q&a might be an even better help, but now im not sure if this is even possible (?)
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I'm so happy, and I take back the things I've said earlier. I hope people can finally expand some areas of the NTW and ETW communities.
So with these, is there a possibility now that the map for Empire can finally be modded effectively?
Do you know how much money Wal-mart must spend each year to develop their loyalty program? CA dont have to spend a peny on it. Do you know how much money Adidas, Nike etc must spend to develop and maintain their online media campaigns? Ca would def. spend less money than those companies but they already have tons of loyalty fan who call themself modders.
If I am CEO of Wal-mart and some one come to my office and say: 'Hey, I'm a good branding guy. I will work for you for free, I will help you to improve your product and promote it to my friend and help you sell more'. I will say 'Holy Chirst, are you for real?'
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I now demand that all the "CA never delivers promises, hates modding and is evil" crowd all simultaneously bite their tongue. Better late than never.
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This is great news! Thank you Craig and CA!
I hope this will lead to even better mods and that we finally could mod campaign map!
I dunno what 'bout you guys, but I'm a tad bit in love with CA at the moment.
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Thanks for the information Craig.
I have a slightly related question. I've noticed that if a mod causes ETW to crash it creates an MDMP file such as empire_1332_crash_2011_6_1T16_14_47C0.mdmp. Is it possible to open these files to see what caused the crash and if so what program would you recommend using? An error log similar to the one in M2TW would be very useful for modders as it makes it easier to tell what we've done wrong.
The main problem, as many posters have mentioned, is pathfinding.esf; which neither Taw nor myself can figure out. As this file is so complex I suspect CA will have a lot of trouble explaining how it works and it will be even more difficult to create something that will let people mod it.
The purpose of the pathfinding.esf is to tell ETW where units can and can't go, and to control the on and off map parts of ETW.
Regarding where units can and can't go the pathfinding.esf is basically a map of all the playable areas. This is to prevent the player from walking off the map, however it means that unless you can edit the pathfinding you can't make unplayable areas playable.
Regarding the on and off map parts this refers to settlements, towns/ports, and resources. When you send an army or navy into these buildings they go from the map to an off map area, rather than stand on top of the building. When you want them to leave the building the pathfinding helps ETW determine where the off map units are and where they can re-enter the map. However if you can't edit the pathfinding then you can't add new areas that let units leave buildings. This means that if a modder adds new buildings units can't leave them unless they use the pathfinding of an existing building and have the units enter and exit by the existing building.
I can make pictures to explain this if anyone wants them.
How to split a region in TWS2
ETW mapping information
M2TW Crashes and how to fix them guide
Eras Total Conquest 2.3 (12 campaigns from 970-1547)
Hey Craig, can you look at Civilization 5 and see how their mods work, basically SQL codes to update the database, would that solve any complex problems?
Wow, thanks a lot! This is a nice gesture at least.
Question: Do you have plans to do something similar for the S2 db files (which I'm sure are still mostly undiscovered)?
Please consider this as well. I remember how useful it was for M2TW.Originally Posted by unanime
Huh, I picked a good week to come back to TW games (not that I ever left per se).
There isn't anything in these DB tables that'll, say, make NTW features available in ETW, is there (such as liberation)? That doesn't seem like a DB file thing, but . . .
I also suppose we won't be using these directly, but rather to help explain what the "unknown" fields in the DB Editor are.
However, this release will hopefully fix many things wrong with Empire. Maybe now the CAi can do retreats on the campaign map. Maybe the BAI will know to standstill on defence and let you attack them instead. Heck, I might even be able to play Empire sieges without cringing.
Nice to se a little commonsense prevailing.
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The use of STEAM-ONLY by CA is ethically wrong because:
1. It does not need to be forced. It could be optional as other games have proven.
2. It discriminates between internet users and non-users or those who simply do not want it.
3. The `advantages` are only advantages in a very small and superficial manner. They do not counter the disadvantages.
4. It suits the company way more than the user. We are simply told it`s better for us
Finally,I shall not give CA|SEGA my money for RTW2 while it forces Steam on me. They have given us no good reason why it must be so. Basically they don`t care.
A Steam Option would benefit ALL. Don`t fight us, JOIN us.
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