The Wilting Flower of Chivalry - 1360 IH

[Dave Strider]

Barry, did you wanna hear my unique unit ideas for the Teutonics?

[Barry Goldwater]

Barry, did you wanna hear my unique unit ideas for the Teutonics?

PM me, I'll tell you how much they'll cost & how much time they'll take to develop, and then their cost & training time once their development has finished. (basically the RB style of developing new units)

[Pericles of Athens]

So you guys think mamluks over austria or ottomans? That's what I was thinking but I don't want a mamluk civil war on the second turn(Barry how stable will the mamluks be?)

[Jingo Eugene]

If I had to choose for you Pericles, I would say Austria. But if only between Mamluks and Ottomans, Mamluks.

[Jingo Eugene]

Hm... With John II imprisoned by England, who'd be the de facto ruler of France? Right now they'd be in practical anarchy. :hm:

[Barry Goldwater]

So you guys think mamluks over austria or ottomans? That's what I was thinking but I don't want a mamluk civil war on the second turn(Barry how stable will the mamluks be?)

Euh, not very, the ruling Bahri dynasty is due to be overthrown in about 20 years OTL Expect to see less open civil wars for now (unless you really push it), more like behind-doors palace coups.

[Barry Goldwater]

Hm... With John II imprisoned by England, who'd be the de facto ruler of France? Right now they'd be in practical anarchy. :hm:

Charles 'the Wise', John's kid. Have fun trying to control the nobility while the kingdom's in a flux, though. To be fair, at least your nobles aren't going to be hostile to you (generally), they'll be trying to murder each other instead

[Pericles of Athens]

Euh, not very, the ruling Bahri dynasty is due to be overthrown in about 20 years OTL Expect to see less open civil wars for now (unless you really push it), more like behind-doors palace coups.

Will Ottomans or Austrians be more stable? And between Austria and ottomans which will be better.

Edit. I'm going for the Turks

[Jingo Eugene]

Charles 'the Wise', John's kid. Have fun trying to control the nobility while the kingdom's in a flux, though. To be fair, at least your nobles aren't going to be hostile to you (generally), they'll be trying to murder each other instead

Hm... Okay...

Hey Dan, 3 day grace period?

[Barry Goldwater]

Will Ottomans or Austrians be more stable? And between Austria and ottomans which will be better

Yeah, the Ottos didn't really have their first period of massive instability & upheaval until Bayezid I died later on and Austria didn't have any internal problems in this time period.

And that's up to you to decide, Austria can run for HRE and thus potentially control Greater Germany while the Ottos have a lot of room & opportunities for expansion, both east and west.

Also, writing up your vassals now in addition to the list of unique units.

[Rakuten06]

Hey Barry, King David II of Scotland married Joan of the Tower (younger daughter of Edward II of England and Isabella of France) in 1328 but she died in 1362 without any children. Should I put that with King David II?

[Barry Goldwater]

Hey Barry, King David II of Scotland married Joan of the Tower (younger daughter of Edward II of England and Isabella of France) in 1328 but she died in 1362 without any children. Should I put that with King David II?

Yeah, if she's still kicking by 1360 then put her up.

Also, English vassals up. If you can, try to find your kingdom's historical vassals in 1360, it'd save me a lot of work Just run them through me first, I'll do what I can to find their loyalty to you historically.

[Kip]

Poland for me!

[Dave Strider]

Barry...ahem...my units?

[Barry Goldwater]

Yours are actually up next, I've been doing the ones before you A lot of unique units' rosters up, from Hungary to Serbia.

[Rakuten06]

Hey Barry, sent you Scotland's historical vassals (not much but I'm trying to find as much as I can...)

[Prodigal]

Thanks for all the work Barry, can't wait!

[Barry Goldwater]

This will be the format I'm using for vassals:

Pic, if possible (if not, just slap their coat-of-arms here, I'm not too picky )
Name
Date of birth
Loyalty (this I'll decide based on any information I can find on them, going from Very Low->Low->Medium->High->Very High)
Royal relations (yes/no)
Demesne (just the territories they control)

If you find that you have like 50 vassals, feel free to include only the most powerful 6-8.

Thanks for all the work Barry, can't wait!

You're welcome.

[Dave Strider]

Norway's special infantry are from Transylvania?

[Jingo Eugene]

Barry, what site did you use to find vassals for Britain? I can't seem to find some for France via Wikipedia.