TROM3 - Feedback and Suggestions

**TNstrangelove** · August 18, 2011, 02:20 PM

Has anyone else noticed how ludicrously overpowered cavalry are in this mod? I noticed it whilst playing campaign and then tested it in custom battles, even ashiguru scouts can beat almost any unit in the game by charging directly into the front of them, even spear units. It's such a pity because the rest of the mod is great but the cavalry are just so gamebreakingly overpowered.

**Yarkis de Bodemloze** · August 18, 2011, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by Elianus

Is this not already done by their weapon-->role? Do not get me wrong, I really appreciate what you have done with the mod and this is a minor thing (and certainly the modders' choice to make). It just doesn't feel right.....

EDIT: Just played a battle with the Takeda and I noticed that their Tachi Cavalry can't hide in woodland.

As you said, it's a matter of choice. The bug with the tachi cavalry will get fixed. Thanks for pointing that out.

Originally Posted by TNstrangelove

Has anyone else noticed how ludicrously overpowered cavalry are in this mod? I noticed it whilst playing campaign and then tested it in custom battles, even ashiguru scouts can beat almost any unit in the game by charging directly into the front of them, even spear units. It's such a pity because the rest of the mod is great but the cavalry are just so gamebreakingly overpowered.

My tests are different. Light cavalry looses even against early yari ashigaru. Household tachi cavalry will win with more then half the unit dead (had the yari ashigaru not in spearwall formation). Against nagae-yari ashigaru no cavalry can win a frontal charge, even if the ashigaru are not in spearwall formation.

**TNstrangelove** · August 18, 2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Yarkis de Bodemloze

My tests are different. Light cavalry looses even against early yari ashigaru. Household tachi cavalry will win with more then half the unit dead (had the yari ashigaru not in spearwall formation). Against nagae-yari ashigaru no cavalry can win a frontal charge, even if the ashigaru are not in spearwall formation.

I have repeated the tests and my earlier findings stand. Maybe its just something wrong with my install though so I will try a reinstall.

**raest** · August 18, 2011, 06:31 PM

last time i had time to play (beta 2) i accidentally charged a Takeda light cav frontally into some (early) ashigarus and they barely survived with something like ~80% losses

**bydlo** · August 19, 2011, 06:16 PM

Don't know about yari ashigaru. But frontal charge of 2 units naginata household guards in the line of matchlock ashigaru (front of 5-6 units) was a suicide. They were almost annihilated and turned back with 5-7 riders left alive.
With 30% movement speed reduction almost every melee unit looks pathetic against ranged ones.

**lament9582** · August 19, 2011, 11:40 PM

some suggestion from guy loving Japanese history.

1.more correct specialty for provinces.
-Adding gold mine to Kai province.
Kai was infamous from their gold, Koushukin(Koushu is another name of Kai),
because they suffered other clans around them by bribing their valuable Samurais and make them betray their former masters. Just like Metsuke doing good job in this game.
Okubo Nagayasu was famous Metsuke who developed multiple giant gold mine including Sado and embezzled a huge amount of gold, more than Tokugawa shogunate's total budget.
And he started his career from developing Kai's gold mine serving Takeda Shingen.

-Taking out horse breeder from Mikawa.
Mikawa never was a notable horse-breeding province. Actually, it should be blacksmith chain or sacred place chain.
because Mikawa Samurais were lack in number, but famous from their steadfast loyalty and battle skill.

-Divide and correct Tohoku provinces, like Fukushima or northern provinces if possible.
They have either wrong name or too big.(for example, Fukushima is current province name, not for 16th Century Japanese)

2.Make names of agents&generals more realistic.
I'm one who tired of playing with generals have randomly generated name and agent having weird Samurai-styled name, regardless of their social class.
For Generals, I suggest putting real generals who actually served that clan.

Ninjas and Monks have stupid Samurai's name. Monks should have more Kanji-like name, and Ninjas are common people, cannot have Samurai's name.
and for Females, they have modern girly name, so it looks silly. especially name ending ~ko was only authorized for imperial family or someone extremely noble, until Meiji Restoration.

3.Ikko-ikki ruling Echizen, Hattori clan ruling Iga.
Hattori clan never was a Daimyo clan but only minor clan serving Tokugawa clan, and they were not Ninjas. Hattori Hanzo was just Samurai leading spies and assasins.
Iga should be rebel-owned province, because until Nobunaga's Invasion of Iga, it was ruled by local minor warlords and Ninja familys working as mercernary.
Ikko-ikki never owned certain country. Echizen was domain of Asakura Yoshikage, one of formidable enemy of Oda Nobunaga.
but in this game, existence of Asakura clan itself is completely forgotten. that is so insane...
Ikko-ikki should replace buddhist rebels, make them much more powerful and annoying rebel, popping out randomly or certain condition.

**Yarkis de Bodemloze** · August 20, 2011, 01:09 AM

Originally Posted by bydlo

Don't know about yari ashigaru. But frontal charge of 2 units naginata household guards in the line of matchlock ashigaru (front of 5-6 units) was a suicide. They were almost annihilated and turned back with 5-7 riders left alive.
With 30% movement speed reduction almost every melee unit looks pathetic against ranged ones.

That's how it should be.