Ikko Ikki overpowered?

**olliehax** · May 25, 2011, 02:08 PM

Who else thinks the Ikko Ikki are way overpowered now? I am playing on hard and ikko ikki by the year 1558 have 2 fullstacks 40% monk units!??? no way should they have kind of unrivalled force.

**ChristianB** · May 25, 2011, 02:19 PM

In my game, Ikko-Ikki must be underpowered as they were wiped off the face of the earth relatively early.

I find clans quite balanced with DarthMod, and I can never tell which clans will become powerful. In my ongoing Takeda campaign, the most powerful clans beside mine (1570, in this order, H/H) are the Hatekayma, Hattori, Yamanha, Imagawa and Urakami.

**NinjaWJ** · May 25, 2011, 02:30 PM

they get really strong in the beginning but balance off/die off near the mid late game when they are at war with anyone however i do agree that they have too many good units early game

**Kabeloko** · May 25, 2011, 02:44 PM

o cmon, they are beatable... it will only require some smart moves, dont ask me wich ones...

**olliehax** · May 25, 2011, 02:54 PM

Are you guys all on beta 6? as of beta 6 i find them extremely powerful

**Icceman** · May 25, 2011, 04:59 PM

yhh there to powerfull, im playing as uesugi and they ahve around 9 provinces n so many stacks of monks

**Baeksu** · May 26, 2011, 04:03 PM

In just about all my DMS games, the Hattori always end up dominating central Japan.

**Akusa** · May 27, 2011, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by Baeksu

In just about all my DMS games, the Hattori always end up dominating central Japan.

playing my first dms game and the hattori were the biggest and just as i was ready to go to war with them everyone looked at them and said no to the tyranny and attacked them.

**Don in the North** · May 27, 2011, 01:01 AM

setting the ikko ikki major units to more turns to recruit should solve their excessive stack problems

**bydlo** · May 27, 2011, 04:01 PM

It's pure random. In most games Takeda's steamroll wipes everybody. In my current campaign Ikko Ikki were reduced to one province after 50 turns.

**♔DARTH LEGO♔** · May 28, 2011, 01:53 AM

Welcome to the forums and DMS

bydlo

It's pure random.

Not quite pure, but there is a random element generated in the campaign creation so yes every new campaign is a surprise in some regards.

I have a very balanced Ikko one going at the moment with Shimazu in an allied lock with Shoni so they cant really expand, all the majors in the east are still holding nicely and there seems to be a helluva lot of fighting and AI assistance going on.

Compared to my last Choso camp, where majors were being wiped out almost every ten turns , hardly any trade going on and almost every clan at war with each other!
So bar a few minor imbalances its really the luck of the draw.

**Resoded** · May 28, 2011, 02:00 PM

I find Ikko balanced on my Oda hard campaign. They are tough because of the monks, but not much worse than Hojo or Takeda... or Hattori.

Poor Oda...

**Inky** · May 30, 2011, 06:48 AM

Odo are insane because of their cheap peasant units,

If you play with the garrison vanilla settings you can pretty much win the game in short order, keep your general nearby to keep the moral up and swamp the enemy. When playing Odo I always outnumber the other clans, greatly...

**trespada** · January 23, 2014, 11:32 PM

i agree i have played 7 campaigns and the ikko ikki always make it to the late game for me plus in my hattori campaign on hard i had to fight 3 full stacks before turn 16