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Thread: Naginata Monks...now useless?

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    Default Re: Naginata Monks...now useless?

    Quote Originally Posted by daniu View Post
    Stats aren't everything, they have Warcry.
    They're not meant to be the frontline mainstay of an army, but as an elite and support force.
    Them not breaking will give others the "flanks protected" morale buff for a longer time, and a well-timed Warcry can easily tip over enemy ashigarus and cause a chain rout.
    Well they aren't really that "Elite" then - they're specialised. Great Guard is an example of an Elite unit - its better at almost everything other cav can do.

    Bow/Matchlock monks the same - they excell in most areas (accuracy, range, morale) beyond that of the other units in their unit-type.

    Hence, in all these cases, the higher price.

    That is not the case with Naginata Warrior Monks and thus they should have a lower price OR get an increase in stats to justify the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan MF View Post
    Well they aren't really that "Elite" then - they're specialised. Great Guard is an example of an Elite unit - its better at almost everything other cav can do.
    Bow/Matchlock monks the same - they excell in most areas (accuracy, range, morale) beyond that of the other units in their unit-type.
    Warrior Monks have the highest attack, defense and morale within their unit type too, so even by your definition, they're as much Elite as ranged monks or GG.
    Plus they have warcry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daniu View Post
    Warrior Monks have the highest attack, defense and morale within their unit type too, so even by your definition, they're as much Elite as ranged monks or GG.
    Plus they have warcry.
    This slight advantage in attack is nothing compared to the lack of armour and melee defense.

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    Arguable, but irrelevant.
    Again, it was you who said they are supposed to be "elite" but don't fit your definition of "elite". As I said (and others before), they are not main fighting troops any more but support.

    So, are they elite? Who cares.
    Is it worth bringing more than one or two? Probably not, but also irrelevant.
    But, are they worth the price? Yes.
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    nag monk spam can still work fine.If some one goes a balanced build but spend alot of money on cav vets then they will lose against a bunch of vet nag monks,maybe if you can get some good monk gun vet fire on them you could win but other wise you cant.

    To be honest i'm not liking the extream rock paper siccors dynamic of the game especially with the vet system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan MF View Post
    This slight advantage in attack is nothing compared to the lack of armour and melee defense.
    It's larger than a "slight advantage" in melee attack, and warcry is incredibly powerful, -4 to morale is the same as getting shot by matchlock units!

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