A Failed American Revolution and a victorious Napoleon

[Ianian58]

The Thirteen Colonies were defiantly one of Great Britain's most important colonial possession, after the Revolution, being defeated by the Continental Army, at the hands of George Washington, the British saw it somewhat more difficult to manage money.

But let's take the American Revolution a little to the future, let's see, what year? I got it, 1802, but the revolution fails due to a crushing defeat at Yorktown, and the absence of the French, to which Benjamin Franklin failed to reach an agreement with, the revolution utterly failed. Great Britain kept it's colony in North America. But what about the mainland?

A storm has been brewing over England, after the victory at Austerlitz, and the shocking blow to the Royal Navy at Trafalgar, where the French-Spanish Navy defeated Admiral Nelson, the French and Spanish morale was greatly boosted breaking the myth of British Naval Invincibility, Napoleon's attention shifted away from Prussia, Austria and Russia and shifted toward England.

Austria, Prussia and Russia were shocked of the result in Trafalgar, Napoleon took this chance to build quickly a stronger French Fleet, and after series of events gaining control of the English Channel. At this Austria's and Prussian plan of entering the war was momentarily halted due to a rebellion in Poland and Hungary.

On 1805, French troops landed on England destroying the remaining British ships on the way (Napoleon Total War Intro ) to this, Napoleon easily defeats the British Armies in Great Britain, while making puppet states in Saxony, Ireland while occupying England and Wales. The Royal Family was forced to escape to their colonial possessions.

Now Napoleon had control of Europe, an army that held more than 1 million men, many wondered if he could be defeated, but he was, after an Austrian Spy had discovered Napoleons plan to invade Spain, Spain switched sides, (Napoleon had not yet put his brother as King of Spain.) Spain set their troops from the south of France, Napoleons Italians Allies, felt sick by Napoleons plan, betrayed Napoleon joining the Coalition, France put up a strong fight, but the nation fell, Napoleon was exiled into a fortified city in Corsica. (Yep, Corsica, I changed where he was exiled.)

Now, in North America, the British planned to rebuild, aggressively, expanding towards the Pacific, and taking old Europeans belongings, and a hope to build a new empire, and in Europe, Napoleons son, Napoleon II (He was born a little back, around 1799, historically he was born in 1811.) in 1817, a 18 year old Napoleon II joined the French Military with great ambitions....

Austria, Russia, and Prussia were in the brink of a three way war, and an ambitious Italian State hoping to unite Italy....Europe could have no peace, they were in the brink of just another massive war.

So yeha, you'll get some reference of an anime if you remember'd it well and seen it, so yeha, what do you think shall happen now?

[Acco]

There are too many variables here...

[Ianian58]

True, but just think about it, if all of this happened what would happen now? I'm thinking of a reason for a three-way war for Austria, Prussia and Russia, maybe Warsaw, hmm I'll have to think.

[Londinium]

The idea of alternative history is usually one pivotal point of history changes, not a dozen different things. This sounds like the wet dream of a 10 year old Age of Empires player.

[Ianian58]

The idea of alternative history is usually one pivotal point of history changes, not a dozen different things. This sounds like the wet dream of a 10 year old Age of Empires player.

This comment here makes me laugh, so what if everyone else makes a single number change in most of these posts. I have quite a imagination, I think every possibility, every consequences, every gains, it's quite fun

[jan_boruta]

The idea of alternative history is usually one pivotal point of history changes, not a dozen different things. This sounds like the wet dream of a 10 year old Age of Empires player.

But, theoretically at least, when you change the course of event A, it won't result only in event B, but also C, and probably D. Especially when we consider the complexicity of world politics and diplomacy as well as the particular situation in the place where the event A occurs. Of course, the multiple outcomes may or may not follow the course of real world history, but let us assume that if we change the course of event A by 180 degrees, they will mostly change either. Taking all possible circumstances into account should be obligatory, as those pivotal points in real history were also based on many small, often elusive details.

tl;dr: world history is too complex (like a giant web) that it's too easy to reduce it to mere pivotal points. Of course, the idea od alternative history may be different, but if it has to plausible, it should be as complex as the real world timeline.

Which doesn't change the fact that a vision of Napoleon conquering England with ease and single-handedly conquering and puppeting central Europe is ridiculous, with all due respect to his military genius.

[Lord Tomyris]

The idea of alternative history is usually one pivotal point of history changes, not a dozen different things. This sounds like the wet dream of a 10 year old Age of Empires player.

Brilliant game, though.

[Mr. Scott]

http://codegeass.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Britannian_Empire

[Prince of Darkness]

Spain defeated Napoleon?

[smithy17]

I'm a bit confused. France gets defeated but keeps the UK?

[Borislav]

Perhaps France and Britain will do a tit-for-tat swap. So Luisiana and the rest of French possession in the New World (minus the sugar islands) can pass onto Britain and in return France get a free hand in Europe without British intervention. Napoleon seems mostly interested in conquering Europe anyway.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Would France have had a revolution if the American revolution failed? I highly doubt it.

[Borislav]

Nah, not at all. France can definitely do without America, Washington or Jefferson as examples and inspirations.

The Revolution probably wouldn't have happened that early. But with an ineffective leader like Louie XVI and a ramshamble finance the Ancien Regime will not last in Louie XVI's lifetime.

Plus the Revolutionaries will look to Britain for inspiration- you know - the English Civil War, Beheading of Charles I and the rise of Cromwell (great parallel to Napoleon)

And wasn't the Declaration of Independence also partially inspired by England's Magna Charter?

[Torvus]

No, more by people like Rousseau. In fact, the whole idea of the declaration of independence is pretty much Rousseau's.

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

I don't see how Spain, Portugal and all of those Italians can beat France. Alternately we can also do the actual scenario except in 1809 Napoleon annexes Austria and Bohemia to the Confederation of the Rhine or France and makes a new kingdom of Hungary with Hungary, Transylvania and Moravia and gives it to one of his Marshals (Davout deserves it but I don't think he has what it takes to be king or maybe some one else, you pick who) or Brothers (maybe Lucien but he is kind of a pussy). Napoleon also destroys the kingdom of Prussia back in 1807, not giving a damn what the Tsar thinks, and gives the actual Prussia to Poland and annexes Brandenburg to some other kingdom or France. Napoleon also supports the Turks and Persians more and after conquering Portugal and Spain (he should have done it not his 2 bit marshals, LOL) decides to do the India campaign and gets the backing of the Marathas. After ousting the British from India Napoleon is now free to launch successful naval campaigns in the Indian Ocean and defend the Madagascar area colonies and Indonesia. Britain is now in an economic situation in which no one trades with them and they no longer posses India. On the other hand Napoleon now posseses incredible amounts of wealth. I'm thinking 1813 is a joint French, Dutch, Spanish, Portuguese, Danish and maybe Russian invasion of England. He turns Ireland and Scotland into vassal republics or makes them acknowledge Jerome Bonaparte's son as King of the United Kingdom with Napoleon and Jerome as regents and Lord Holland as the PM. He may also conquer Britain after Russia if he makes sure that Persia and the Ottomans receive proper support and he might make the Tsar abdicate in favour of his Younger pro-Napoleon brother and then invade India. After he will send his armies to Quebec and then occupy the British, Spanish and Portuguese colonies. Maybe he will even invade the USA. The rest of his victorious life he will spend making reforms, canals, roads and monuments and making sure Napoleon II becomes as good as him. Maybe he will choose to conquer the Ottomans (or Napoleon II might do that and invade Persia). The Napoleonic Empire will go about making colonies and conquering Africa and Asia (probably Vietnam and Siam since Louis XVI and French explorers had already attempted this). The real questions then are: How long before a massive revolt? What of China, Korea, Japan, Burma, Siam and Vietnam?

[Lord Oda Nobunaga]

If you want an alternate senario of the Egypt campaign look through the alternate history pages.

Edit- Here you go!
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=463013

[Borislav]

No, more by people like Rousseau. In fact, the whole idea of the declaration of independence is pretty much Rousseau's.

True, but we can't deny the Magna Carta was also an influence. And comparison between both documents shows close links in terms of its ideas & rights.

[nemgod]

The Thirteen Colonies were defiantly one of Great Britain's most important colonial possession, after the Revolution, being defeated by the Continental Army, at the hands of George Washington, the British saw it somewhat more difficult to manage money.

Actually the importance of the 13 colonies in the empire is heavily over stated. The fact Britain even agreed to give them up in exchange for her caribbean colonies. Each of which contributed more to Britain than the entire of the 13 colonies combined would be evidence of that.

In the end if in the war it was just Britain vs revolutionaries instead of all the major powers which were all keen to take more profitable colonies then Britain would have kept on going for as long as it took to win.

[Borislav]

I find it humorous that in the course of UK's history she is willing to trade 13 colonies for New France & Quebec.
I reckon the 13 colonies have more potential than New France.