Melee Piercing and Penetrating Weapons?

[GnaReffotsirk]

There's the entry in the kv_rules regarding these. They are:

1. amour_melee_penetrating_divisor
2. armour_melee_piercing_divisor
3. defense_melee_penetrating_divisor
4. defense_melee_piercing_divisor

This tells me certain weapons can be set to be effective against armor, while another can be more effective in terms of defense skill.

Question is, which weapons/units are penetrating? Which ones are piercing?

Are katana samurai penetrating? Are yari samurai piercing?

[Seikales]

I also am curious about that. I wish there was a table about the weapons and such.

Yet, the values I have understood in those armor definitions is that, they are ratios for calculations on how much to reduce/alter the melee attack value with armor and defense skills.

[Condottiere SOG]

I going to turn all factors to 1

[Tarsus999]

Does anyone have an update?

This is interesting stuff, especially if you look at it in relation to armour values (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=456307)

[GnaReffotsirk]

Haven't tested much but it seems penetrating melee works either for katana samurai or against naginata samurai.

I don't know if naginata got penalties when amour_melee_penetrating_divisor was changed from 4 to 16, or if katana samurai had bonus against naginata's armor advantage.

What happened though is that when previously naginata would destroy katana samurai, it got defeated. Not in a huge advantage though, rather slightly but enough for katana to win against naginata.

note that this is true based on my changes including stats and armor types of both these units.

[Kolaris8472]

Is there any more info on this? Specifically, which weapons are classified "Penetrating"?

Piercing seems to be the "Armour Piercing Melee Attack" boolean set in unit_stats_land. If I take two identical units, give them both a bunch of armour, and one Armour Piercing Melee Attack, it will slaughter the other.

Still not sure about Penetrating though, I can't find any tag for it anywhere. Is it given to a whole class of weapons, Melee_Weapon_Type maybe? My previous test on Piercing attacks were with Katana Samurai, so I'm confident in saying they aren't included in Penetrating weapons.

In searching this forum I've found references to Sekigahara making it so Swords ignored half of defense while Spears ignored half of armour - anyone know how they pulled it off?

[Kerzaks]

atm in vanilla, only the kishio ninjas are armor piercing i think.

its found in unit_land_stats all the way at the end