Europa Barbarorum 2: Sweboz preview I

[Kael BloodMoon]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY. Seriously, where can I donate for the EB2 team? This looks unbelievable and I want to offer my support via MONEYZ. Can't wait for the full release.

[XSamatan]

The team does not accept money for its work, we only accept donations to maintain the public and internal server-system, however, because of a great donation in the past we don't need support for the time being.

XSamatan

[Tasmansk Tiger]

Insanly well done!

[MaxMazi]

The team does not accept money for its work, we only accept donations to maintain the public and internal server-system, however, because of a great donation in the past we don't need support for the time being.

XSamatan

But thank you for your thought Kael.

[Aleksander the Average]

bonus miniguns.

[Casual Tactician]

As it seems the Sweboz - and some of the other barbarically babbling factions - might only have few well armoured or [semi-]professional units in comparison to the Macedonians, Romans or Seleucids for example. Will they thus have low recruitment costs (at least for the non-professional units) and will the replenish frequency generally speaking (excluding their "professional" units though) be shorter for those factions? ...to make the TW gameplay balanced.

This might seem as a more a rhetorical question to you, as you will probably have sorted out this issue a long time ago. But however, I'm none the less curious...

EDIT: Great preview btw! Although I must admit, that I haven't read through it entirely jet. To be fair and square, some of the topics are not that appealing to me, but I'll get there eventually! And please pass on my appreciation to your historians working on this mod - they are doing a great job!

[medievaldude]

If you haven't checked out the Boii preview, IMO the so called armoured or semi-professionals to nons are quite balanced. This is just part one of the Sweboz preview, very likely there working on those more armoured warriors and some reforms stuff. As well, the stats of the units will be realistic, balanced e.t.c. Really just because a warrior is not fully covered in armour is doesn't mean he/she is a threat, i mean i guess thats another way some romans die to them

For the Pritanoi it wouldn't matter, with a wide amount of skirmishers and a good commander you could win

Getai is pretty good roster to .

[Casual Tactician]

If you haven't checked out the Boii preview, IMO the so called armoured or semi-professionals to nons are quite balanced. This is just part one of the Sweboz preview, very likely there working on those more armoured warriors and some reforms stuff. As well, the stats of the units will be realistic, balanced e.t.c. Really just because a warrior is not fully covered in armour is doesn't mean he/she is a threat, i mean i guess thats another way some romans die to them

For the Pritanoi it wouldn't matter, with a wide amount of skirmishers and a good commander you could win

Getai is pretty good roster to .

I didn't mean the Boii here, although they are also kind of "babbling strangers" - so I was somewhat unprecise, sry.
The Boii were in contact with Mediterranean cultures, but the Pritanoi and esp. Sweboz (plus possible other factions in northern France or Belgium etc.) in that era were quite isolated from the advanced med-cultures and also in correlation with that fact without any large amount of real (= bronze, iron) armour. Although Celtic tribesmen were hired as mercenaries from med-cultures, those people were most likley not from Britan or Germany in those days (272BC).
What I was intending to say is: that only rich "upper-class barbarians" (in ancient Britain, Germany and so on) could afford to have any real armour and weaponry, as the weapon smithery (at least in Germany) in those days was very rare/underdeveloped. So heavy, well armoured units will be rare for those factions in EBII (at least for the start date). And concerning:

just because a warrior is not fully covered in armour is doesn't mean he/she is [not?! ] a threat, i mean i guess thats another way some romans die to them

I all in all disagree; the disciplined and well armoured Romans more or less slaughtered any barbaric army in NW-Europe (in an open field battle) in EB's timeframe. But ok, those naked fanatics for example surley scared the hell out of some Romans, and ancient literature states that the Romans were sometimes (at least initially) intimidated by battle-ready Celtic or Germanic tribesmen.
So let's call it a draw then!

[medievaldude]

All I'm saying is the enemies they faced quite at time were skilled warriors themselves, but generally yeah a roman army is far a different story and quite more developed, complex, unique and organized ( not saying the barbaroi weren't organized e. t. c)

[Casual Tactician]

All I'm saying is the enemies they faced quite at time were skilled warriors themselves, but generally yeah a roman army is far a different story and quite more developed, complex, unique and organized ( not saying the barbaroi weren't organized e. t. c)

They were surley skilled (constantly fighting for honour and booty - at least the "upper-class" barbaroi) and later on, as the Romans expanded, they were so kind to show the barbarians how to lead armies and how to fight with proper tactics. Not to forget that the enlarged trade with the med-region, and the armoury/weaponry those barbaric, former Roman soldiers brought home stimulated and enhanced the barbarian weaponry and smithery in general. It's like Meiji Restoration .

[Aleksander the Average]

They were surley skilled (constantly fighting for honour and booty - at least the "upper-class" barbaroi) and later on, as the Romans expanded, they were so kind to show the barbarians how to lead armies and how to fight with proper tactics. Not to forget that the enlarged trade with the med-region, and the armoury/weaponry those barbaric, former Roman soldiers brought home stimulated and enhanced the barbarian weaponry and smithery in general. It's like Meiji Restoration .

i like the analogy.

[bobbin]

They were surley skilled (constantly fighting for honour and booty - at least the "upper-class" barbaroi) and later on, as the Romans expanded, they were so kind to show the barbarians how to lead armies and how to fight with proper tactics. Not to forget that the enlarged trade with the med-region, and the armoury/weaponry those barbaric, former Roman soldiers brought home stimulated and enhanced the barbarian weaponry and smithery in general. It's like Meiji Restoration .

At least with equipment it was actually mostly the other way, with the Mediterranean civilisations adopting new weapons and armour from the "barbarians".

[Delta146]

Yeah, in fact most of the equipment that shaped the Legionary was "barbarian" in origin.

[Aleksander the Average]

did they steal pila? aiy: who from?

[Casual Tactician]

At least with equipment it was actually mostly the other way, with the Mediterranean civilisations adopting new weapons and armour from the "barbarians".

Yes, of coures. Esp. the Celtic cultures are well known for their influences to the legionary equipment.

Oh, this part was quite vage und unprecisce:

...the enlarged trade with the med-region, and the armoury/weaponry those barbaric, former Roman soldiers brought home stimulated and enhanced the barbarian weaponry and smithery in general. It's like Meiji Restoration .

I was trying to say that the Germanic peoples had a signicfant improvement to their smithery and it's quality, and also their economy in general. But obviously I was not very precise (*caugh*) in my statement there.

[military tribune]

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[Phalanx300]

Didn't the Romans copy the wedge(boarsnout) formation from the Germanics? And Germanics were noted to form shieldwall and have organised units(cantons?). This book even talked about shield-castles they used, essentially Testudo.

I think only some Germanic units will have armor and mostly the richer higher up units. And even then not all of them but a few. But I gues it will be nice in Multiplayer with a Germanic faction as its hard to see the difference between a elite and non-elite unit just from the equipment. With Greeks etc. its easier to see.

[bobbin]

did they steal pila? aiy: who from?

I think the Pilum was of Etruscan origin.

[Visarion]

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[Aleksander the Average]

I think the Pilum was of Etruscan origin.

hm... okay. there was something similar that was iberian or something i think... but that could be something totally different. solifero? soliferum? or some such...