Ran No Jidai - Progress

[Wundai]

Wow, must say I hardly find anyone in these times who's willing to admit they made a mistake.
Respect TheJian

Well explained Hayami
Although the discussion has passed already in the dev forum, with positive result I might add and some neglection on my part for starting it.

[TheJian]

Glad things got worked out....

Me wrong? Im always the unreasonable one. I hate my life.

[Hayami Kagemusha]

Agreed with Wundai, mature reaction. I wasn't really upset with you to begin with, its other people that bother me.

Glad to hear that Wundai

[born to phil]

hi all was woundering a saw a linke on this fourm that tolk me to all under heaven mod it looked really good and thare fourm mentiond shougun alot is it coz thats ware it all started or is this mod related to ran no jidai coz all under hevan has china in it

sorry if its a stuped question but thout it better to ask than find out the hard way lol

[Vagabond]

Wow, what a battle here

I think everyone just wanted to help. But IMHO, even Kage said "What part of that promise have i not fullfilled ?" then i don't see much hope. All modders do mods just because of their love not because it's their responsibility. Well, it's sad. I mean no offense to Kage, everyone know life sucks these days.

[leonn]

i think it just gos to show how much people are looking forward to this mod.speaking as just a gamer,all i need to know is that the people doing it are alive,i will wait patiently for however long it takes and all we need to know is that your still there.

[le_fred]

Well, I am afraid to say that we have been waiting and hoping this mod for a long time as the ultimate Shogun – RTW mix, but this topic makes me very pessimistic.
10 pages of discussion for the last 6 months where bad news, long silence then arguments pile up. I mean, no offense to the modders and their great project, but when I read long posts of Kagemusha, I simply don’t understand while so much emphasis is put on the fact forumers should not ask about ETA or current status, while it would have taken 2 lines to re assure everybody and talk about the mod itself.
Obviously the project is made your way and this is your absolute right. But please, don’t be surprised that people feel disappointed when you reply to illegitimate and impolite criticism and not to questions about the mod.
Would you ignore what you regularly stress as irrelevant and just focus on real and understandable questions like “Is everything ok ?”, the atmosphere on RNJ forum would be much better.
If the only topic to discuss on this mod is the mood of modders and the way readers should ask questions without hurting them, this is not very encouraging, you can admit.

[Armfeldt]

I agree with Le_Fred, there is a tense atmosphere in this forum for the moment.

But, well it is only a game so no harms done. If it will be finished it will be finished. And if this mod won´t be finished, the modders sure have learnt alot and ideas created and will be carried forward to other projects. Either way it turned out good in the end.

[oldboyhammer]

Well it's very worrying to hear that a mod is 4 years in development. Nonetheless, I've seen the screenshots and what this mod could eventually be if it ever does get made and I have to say I like what I see. My fingers are crossed for this mod...

[2-D Ron]

hi all was woundering a saw a linke on this fourm that tolk me to all under heaven mod it looked really good and thare fourm mentiond shougun alot is it coz thats ware it all started or is this mod related to ran no jidai coz all under hevan has china in it

sorry if its a stuped question but thout it better to ask than find out the hard way lol

Sorry, only the Hard way. *Lubs up Black Ribbed Nobler*

[Caliburn]

Hello. Any good news about releasing the mod?

[Musashi]

Don't play dumb being curious and asking for information is one thing, but that is not what is going on. This is demanding, and whining when you don't get what you want. Someone asks for information from a specific person, and when he doesn't reply they start making comments about how long they've "supported" the program, how that entitles them to know more, and why they think people should give up on the mod.

Don't you see what you are doing? Maybe all you wanted was to politely ask at first, but in your very last post you did all the same things I've mentioned. Maybe thats the problem, people don't even realize how ridiculous they are being. If I start breaking down their posts piece by piece, maybe people will start to see it?

You start with a question... "people want info." then it becomes an assertion that you deserve to know the answer:


Which you qualified by mentioning how long you've been watching:


and you finished with:


People want info is fine, of course they do. "A little news from time to time, that is not much to ask" makes it a demand... it says 'We deserve this much', most likely because 'that is what we've come to expect.' Why? Because of how long you've faithfully watched the mod... forums. Then the last part is obvious, I don't need to explain it.

I'm not upset by people that simply ask, a number of people have politely done so and when they eventually got their answer, (which they did), they simply said "okay, thanks. can't wait till its done." What upsets me are these people that like to start making decisions and announcements on their own about how the mod is going. Even that would be understandable if this was a profit-making company producing a product, but it's not. You don't have the right to complain.

Finally, yes this isn't a one person project. Those that have contributed heavily to the program and done work they were requested to do are allowed to voice their concerns, but when they do its usually in their own mod forums, not here where everyone is making their own misinformed announcements. Wundai does his best to keep us informed but even then people start interpreting his posts the way they want.


just really don't like this forum thread being cluttered up by useless, inflammatory posts.

You have a good point but I still think your wrong.
If this mod was made just for the makers and they would not wan't people to get interested about the mod they should have made it secretly right from the start.
Once thay have gone puplic about it they have made a commitment to make the mod for the people that are waiting the mod.
Once people have been waiting the mod patiently for 3 to 5 years they have right to get information if nothing else.
It's a same thing as a band announses they are making a new record or a movie maker making a new movie or a game maker making a new game.

You have made a promise that this is the thing I'am doing and I promise you that you will get to enjoy it once we finish it.

That is the key thing.

You have made a promise that this is the thing I'am doing and I promise you that you will get to enjoy it once we finish it.

A promise about something. Once that promise has not been fulfilled for a ..... well lets face it. For a far too long time now you have in a way allready broken that promise.

You can bash the people in this forum for loosing theyre patiense as much as you want but that does not change the fact that this mod has taken far too long time. Every single other mod that started at the same time and whas made for RTW have published something or have been put to stop on this forum a long time ago.
That said I do still repect the dev team on this mod. There are not lots of them and those who are left including Kage have made an overwhelming job at this mod. But that does not still change the fact that this mod has taken a long time and that the people that have waited this mod eagerly are entitled to have information or be fustrated.

[amz]

under any reason, this is taking too long.

[vermicious knid]

I both agree and disagree, Creative Assembly, with all their resources, took over three and a half years, from the spring of 1998 to the fall of 2001, to release Shogun: Total War and it's expansion Mongol Invasion, with nary a press release.
As far as I'm able to ascertain, Ran no Jidai, has been in production for nearly four years, from middish - late 2005 to the fall of 2009, with more information being released than we obviously deserve. Granted it's not exactly reinventing the wheel, but considering the professional quality exhibted, maybe we could cut them some slack.
It'd be one thing, if the individuals producing Ran no Jidai, seemingly ever wavered in their avowal to eventually release a finished product, though I see no eveidence to support the notion.
Neither, Third Age: Total War, or the eagerly awaited release of Dominion of the Sword, in comparison, leaves me slobbering and drooling in anticipation like a school boy on prom night, like Ran no Jidai.
Imagine, samurai, with katana and yumi bow in hand, laying seige to enemy castles, sending ninjas and shinobi on dangerous missions, damn near lugubrious, if it never got released.
Maybe we should all just "chill", live life, stop and smell the roses, and maybe just maybe we'll receive an update.
Are we a bunch of "ketou" who can't give a proper "arigato gozaimasu", when it's called for?

[leonn]

I both agree and disagree, Creative Assembly, with all their resources, took over three and a half years, from the spring of 1998 to the fall of 2001, to release Shogun: Total War and it's expansion Mongol Invasion, with nary a press release.
As far as I'm able to ascertain, Ran no Jidai, has been in production for nearly four years, from middish - late 2005 to the fall of 2009, with more information being released than we obviously deserve. Granted it's not exactly reinventing the wheel, but considering the professional quality exhibted, maybe we could cut them some slack.
It'd be one thing, if the individuals producing Ran no Jidai, seemingly ever wavered in their avowal to eventually release a finished product, though I see no eveidence to support the notion.
Neither, Third Age: Total War, or the eagerly awaited release of Dominion of the Sword, in comparison, leaves me slobbering and drooling in anticipation like a school boy on prom night, like Ran no Jidai.
Imagine, samurai, with katana and yumi bow in hand, laying seige to enemy castles, sending ninjas and shinobi on dangerous missions, damn near lugubrious, if it never got released.
Maybe we should all just "chill", live life, stop and smell the roses, and maybe just maybe we'll receive an update.
Are we a bunch of "ketou" who can't give a proper "arigato gozaimasu", when it's called for?

well said.the ran no jidai are under no obligation to provide anything.if this mod appears i will be as delighted as everybody else,if not thats down to them.so like the man said chill out,get a life and worry about something else.

[Killerbee]

Sorry , not to be a pain in the arse or so , or to make everyone feel depressed , but what exactly must Kagemusha do ?

What does still need to be finished ?

[Musashi]

My last ccomment on the issue.
Ran no jidai team is not oblicated to give us anything, I agree. However. We are entiteled to be fustrated for not getting the promised mod or the news about it.

I realise that it's not a moral boost if someone writes it down to the forum that he is fustrated but the point is that he has the right to do so and not the be judged as a flamer or something else as bad.
If I'm not mistaken the mod has taken 5 years now.

[vermicious knid]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? - Voltaire

[Kamos]

Sorry , not to be a pain in the arse or so , or to make everyone feel depressed , but what exactly must Kagemusha do ?

What does still need to be finished ?

I think he has to compile all the data into a functional version of the mod, he is a very busy guy though and I imagine it will take quite some time.

[Hayami Kagemusha]

@Musashi: no. It is nothing like a band announcing a new album or a movie producer announcing a new movie or a game creator announcing a new game. That is EXACTLY the point I've been making from the start. All of those people are professional, PAID producers and entertainers... producing a PRODUCT to sell for PROFIT. The rest of what you posted are the same things I've responded to time and time again. If people could even word their demands in a way that wasn't so outright rude to a group of selfless people, then I wouldn't need to respond.

@le_fred: I understand what you are saying, but you are confusing me with Kage the producer of this mod. I am just one of the many frustrated fans, but I'm frustrated with the forums not the mod. I considered changing my name but then I've used this name in one form or another for longer than Total War has existed... plus I didn't know at the time I created this account that Kagemusha was a project leader ^^;