Next Total War Game Discussion

[Nizam89]

A Fallout/ Post-apocalyptic Setting would be interesting as well. Imagine all the ruined cities, bombed landscapes, radiation,
Humanity trying to survive, fighting for last recourses, rebuilding an empire out of dust .. man that would be amazing.

[TheSutekh]

Not really...

[saxdude]

Early American Total war would be nice ^_^. the battles would be nothing short of bloody and it may provide different gameplay mecanics.

[irontaino]

It would be nice, but we're in the minority of people who are interested in early America.

[-=PHX=-Hades]

It would be nice, but we're in the minority of people who are interested in early America.

I wouldn't mind early America. But I would prefer Rome 2 or Victoria. The one really interesting thing about an early America game would be the major European countries trying to out-colonize each other.

[TheSutekh]

Early American Total war would be nice ^_^. the battles would be nothing short of bloody and it may provide different gameplay mecanics.

How would it be any different than Empire TW and how would it be nothing short of bloody compared to other TW games?

[Jasonhunterx]

I would want to see empire 2 but it begins in medieval time an go to civil war like how Darth mod had early and late period that would be awesome but I would love to see Rome 2 but they did rome right empire needs a fix

[Xuande]

I would like to see a China Total War someday.

For instance, a "Five Dynasties Total War", set at the time of the fall of the Tang Dynasty (from 874 to 960 AD). You would get the opportunity to play as a Tang autonomous warlord, the Tang emperor, an anti-Tang rebel (Huang Chao), or a foreign non-Chinese power (Khitan nomads, Tibetans, Tanggut, Silk Road city-states, southern barbarian tribes, Viets, Koreans).

- As a Chinese faction, your goal would be to either revive the Tang, or replace it with a new dynasty (but trying to replace the Tang too fast would trigger a Realm Divide event),
- As a Foreign faction, your goal would be to take advantage of the Chinese civil war to expand and build your own empire.

Actually, for those who are not complete ethno-centric morrons and who know some world history, this would be the Asian equivalent to Rome Total War, with lots of unit diversity (navy included), complex tech trees, numerous Asian factions, and some empire administration challenges. As a Chinese faction, having the possibility to serve the Tang, to use it as a cover for your own ambitions, or to rebel, would be somewhat similar to Rome I's gameplay, which involved 3 Roman factions doing "missions" for the empire before going into civil war.

On the other hand, I would never ever buy a WWI, WWII, or even "Victoria" (and why the hell would you call it Victoria by the way ? Though England did get a large empire, large tracts of land remained outside of the old fat lady's influence). Why ? Because I do think that TW games are at their best in melee strategy. Too many gunpowder units ruin the game. In terms of gameplay, it's just plain boring, in spite of all the explosions. Eye-candy is not fun.

[Rorarii]

I would like to see a China Total War someday.

For instance, a "Five Dynasties Total War", set at the time of the fall of the Tang Dynasty (from 874 to 960 AD). You would get the opportunity to play as a Tang autonomous warlord, the Tang emperor, an anti-Tang rebel (Huang Chao), or a foreign non-Chinese power (Khitan nomads, Tibetans, Tanggut, Silk Road city-states, southern barbarian tribes, Viets, Koreans).

- As a Chinese faction, your goal would be to either revive the Tang, or replace it with a new dynasty (but trying to replace the Tang too fast would trigger a Realm Divide event),
- As a Foreign faction, your goal would be to take advantage of the Chinese civil war to expand and build your own empire.

Actually, for those who are not complete ethno-centric morrons and who know some world history, this would be the Asian equivalent to Rome Total War, with lots of unit diversity (navy included), complex tech trees, numerous Asian factions, and some empire administration challenges. As a Chinese faction, having the possibility to serve the Tang, to use it as a cover for your own ambitions, or to rebel, would be somewhat similar to Rome I's gameplay, which involved 3 Roman factions doing "missions" for the empire before going into civil war.

On the other hand, I would never ever buy a WWI, WWII, or even "Victoria" (and why the hell would you call it Victoria by the way ? Though England did get a large empire, large tracts of land remained outside of the old fat lady's influence). Why ? Because I do think that TW games are at their best in melee strategy. Too many gunpowder units ruin the game. In terms of gameplay, it's just plain boring, in spite of all the explosions. Eye-candy is not fun.

if the market audience is Chinese then sounds great! How many PCs in China these days? and are they willing to pay approx. $50 for a game ?

R

[-=PHX=-Hades]

if the market audience is Chinese then sounds great! How many PCs in China these days? and are they willing to pay approx. $50 for a game ?

R

I think the question is will the Chinese allow their people to buy the game.

[Rykov]

RE: The May 18th announcement.

[Xuande]

if the market audience is Chinese then sounds great! How many PCs in China these days? and are they willing to pay approx. $50 for a game ?

R

Because you think that only Chinese people would be interested by such a game ?!?!? With such an approach, CA would never have made Shogun, and the Total War franchise would never exist.

I am a Westerner. I am not Chinese. And still, I would love to see a China Total War. Because the scope and depth of this game would be huge. Because this is where the "Art of War" precepts were created. Because it's a fascinating culture. And, ok, because Asian girls are so damn attractive with their almond shaped eyes ... Aaaaaaahhh China TW, with its "Adult Pack DLC" ... <no, just joking >


However, I understand that, form a marketing point of view, CA might expect to sell this kind of game in China. The easiest way to do so would be to make the 100th "Three Kingdom's" game : the era is more popular, better known by the grass and root audience, even outside of China, and it features larger than life characters. I don't think they'll do that, anyway. Dinosaur Total War is coming ...

[Kraut]

(and why the hell would you call it Victoria by the way ? Though England did get a large empire, large tracts of land remained outside of the old fat lady's influence).

Of course that was the case, but with the same logic one could debate why they would call it "Rome" although large tracts of land remained outside the Roman Empire then, right?

In the so-called Victorian age from 1837-1900, Britain was the single most important nation and empire of the world, the "sole superpower of the 19th century". From the Zulu kings to the Russian Tsar to the Chinese Emperor, nearly everybody worldwide had to deal with the British in one way or another. That would justify such a name for a TW game as well as "Rome" or "Napoleon" are justified.

[Asgaroth]

RE: The May 18th announcement.

I was just going to ask when will they announce the next total war game as it has passed a lot .

I only wonder what will it be.

Thanks for the post !

[Xuande]

Well sure, the british Empire was huge in the 19th century. But it looks very awkward to me to make a "Victoria Total War" as if the age of Victoria was actually an era of "total warfare".

Sure, the British fought in the Crimean. But apart from that, most of their wars then were colonial, and thus deeply asymetric. Where's the glory in butchering a few underdevelopped tribes and poorly modernized kingdoms from time to time ? Where's the "total war" ?

Things were different back in Roman times and in the Napoleonian era :

- Rome had some serious foes, within and without (Carthago, the Macedonians, the Ptolemaic kings, the Parths, ...) and it took her centuries to subdue them.

- In Napoleonian times, Europe was at war from Gibraltar to the Russian steppe. Peace was nowhere to be found (almost)

On the contrary, in the later 19th century, England mainly used diplomatic means to settle issues with other super powers.

In other words, "Victoria" should not be called Victoria. "Colonial" would be more appropriate. And honestly ? Do you imagine Queen Victoria on the cover of the next game ???? Wow ! So warlike !

[irontaino]

There was the Franco-Prussian War, the American Civil War, the wars in China, the Russo-Japanese, the War of the Pacific and the Italian Unification....off the top of my head.

[Xuande]

There was the Franco-Prussian War, the American Civil War, the wars in China, the Russo-Japanese, the War of the Pacific and the Italian Unification....off the top of my head.

Sure ! You're absolutely right.

But where was Victoria in the Franco-Prussian War ? What was her involvment in the US Civil War ? If actually we search some active powers in these modern wars, the French are more prominent than the Brits ...

Russo-Japanese : Was Victoria hidden somewhere with a kimono on the theater of operations ?

Italian unification ? Apart from touring around and writing poetry, where were the Brits ? Actually it was Napoleon the IIIrd who did the most to help the Italians.

China : OK. There were some british adventurers involved in the Taiping war, but that was not an official British engagement.

... So seriously, how can you make this up to end with a game entitled "VICTORIA TW" when Victoria had nothing to do with what happened ! Do you realize how absurd this is ?

I suppose this comes from an English History textbook bias calling the 19th century "the victorian Age" ... But still, speaking of a "Victorian Total War" is nonsensical. Her rule was largely peaceful.

[Maklodes]

(Copied from my totalwar.com post.)

Concept: Bolivar: Total War!

Fight as Paraguay against the Triple Alliance of Argentina, Brazil, and Uruguay and see if you can avoid being totally exterminated!

March your Peruvian-Bolivian alliance against the Chileans and take Valparaiso!

Use your Colombians to throw the Yankees and French out of the so-called Republica de Panama!

Deal with rabble-rousing Catholic priests who think peasants deserve exorbitant luxuries like shoes!

Ally with semi-autonomous Indian tribes for their special units, only to find that they want you to wipe out some other Indian tribe with even cooler units!

Go conservative, liberal, socialist, or just I-have-the-most-guns-so-I'm-the-caudillo-ist.

[irontaino]

Sure ! You're absolutely right.

But where was Victoria in the Franco-Prussian War ? What was her involvment in the US Civil War ? If actually we search some active powers in these modern wars, the French are more prominent than the Brits ...

Russo-Japanese : Was Victoria hidden somewhere with a kimono on the theater of operations ?

Italian unification ? Apart from touring around and writing poetry, where were the Brits ? Actually it was Napoleon the IIIrd who did the most to help the Italians.

China : OK. There were some british adventurers involved in the Taiping war, but that was not an official British engagement.

... So seriously, how can you make this up to end with a game entitled "VICTORIA TW" when Victoria had nothing to do with what happened ! Do you realize how absurd this is ?

I suppose this comes from an English History textbook bias calling the 19th century "the victorian Age" ... But still, speaking of a "Victorian Total War" is nonsensical. Her rule was largely peaceful.

Victorian is the most recognizable nomenclature for most of the 19th century, regardless of whether the British were involved or not, so all those points up there are moot. With a name like Victoria TW, people would instantly know the time frame, the major powers, global events, etc..

[Maklodes]

Rome: Total War could well include a war between, say, the Carthaginians and the Egyptians, so I don't see Victoria: Total War as necessarily excluding conflicts that don't include Britain.