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    Awesome work Wangrin I will start to integrate the first part of your work this night. I am still really busy with my exams...

    Anyway I think that we should adopt the Piedmont-Sardaign Flag at the beginning of the Great campaign, because this flag was used longer than the Savoy flag during the 18th century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 162eRI View Post
    When you say different flags per different periods, you mean like if we choose at the start of the great campaign a different period we gonna have different flags? Or can we have an evolution of the flags ingame like for the uniforms??
    We can not have evolution for flags.
    But, it could be possible, in a more or less distant future, to create 3 submods : War of Spanish Succession, Seven Years's War and French Revolution Wars, one for each era.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    Awesome work Wangrin I will start to integrate the first part of your work this night. I am still really busy with my exams...
    Thanks
    I will send you all files (campaign, regimental and naval flags) this evening.
    It will be easier to use than the global file I've post above.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    Anyway I think that we should adopt the Piedmont-Sardaign Flag at the beginning of the Great campaign, because this flag was used longer than the Savoy flag during the 18th century.
    Piedmont-Sardaigne was ruled by House of Savoy.
    It make sense to use their flag (flag of Savoy).

    Duché de Savoie :


    Royaume de Sardaigne :


    But this flag is a naval flag, not the Kingdom of Piedmont-Sardina "state" flag :



    EDIT : FLAGS UPDATED
    I've add an hypothetic Preußen Republik regimental flag

    Last edited by wangrin; April 10, 2012 at 04:04 PM.


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    Wangrin! I pretty much like your Russian Republic Flag. I was thinking of it the same way you did it. Thumbs up!

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    Can we see the Russian battle flag with the little flares on the edges in green?

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    Russian Unit Roster Part 11

    1) Ukrainian Cossacks (early XVIII c.)

    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0206.jpg Registry cossack.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0207.jpg 'Podpomoshchnik' cossack (The term denotes a poor cossack which equipment is bought by means of his village community).
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0208.jpg 'Sotnic' cossack. A man who comands by a hundred.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0209.jpg 'Polkovnik' cosssack (Colonel or army commander).
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0210.jpg Zaporozhian Cossack.

    2) Fusilier (Soldier). Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216030

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0275.jpg Fusilier (on the left) and Officer (on the right)

    3) Officer. Life-Guards Semenovskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216032

    4) Officer. Grenadier Comapany of Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216035

    5) Grenadier. Life-Guards Izmaylovskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216037

    6) Fusilier (on the left) and Officer (on the right) of Line infantry Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216038

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0263.jpg Officer



    7) Grenadier (on the left) and Ober-Officer (on the right). Grenadier Company of Line infantry Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216039

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0265.jpg Grenadier (on the left) and Ober-Officer (on the right).


    8) Grenadier. Life-Guards Preobrazhenskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 216043

    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0276.jpg Officer (on the left) and Grenadier (on the right).

    9) Midshipman. 1728
    Attachment 216044

    10) Soldier (on the left) Life-Guards Semenovskiy Regiment and sergeant (on the right) Life-Guards Izmaylovskiy Regiment. 1732-1742.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0277.jpg

    11) Landmilitia. 1736-1742.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0281.jpg Officers
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0280.jpg Lower ranks

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    For some Indian love... It seems Flikitos is interested.

    Some screens of the Maratha history (must be sadly 20th century paintings)
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    Los Ejércitos del Rey. Nice source about several Spanish regiments from various periods of the 18th century. There is a lot of decent info in Spanish about uniforms, including the pictures. There are several great images of the Spanish drummers too for example:
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    As Flikitos asked for some documents about the ol' good Spaniards I should also mention this wonderful collection of the uniforms sources mostly about Russia, Prussia, France and Austria, also several other countries naturally. In other words very useful for all modders. There are almost every .pdf and printed books I have on the Ejército Real. It is on the Russian history fun forum so it could be a bit complicated for some forum members to navigate this thread because of the language but please feel free to ask me you will need any help with translation etc.

    I will also provide you with the links and numbers of the post in order to summarize all the stuff about Spain. All images are clickable.

    Early Spain of Philip V:
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=40 (post number 44)
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=80 (post number 82)
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=130 (post numbers 133-136)
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=140 (post number 148)

    Mid-late 18th century's and late Spanish army:
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=50 (post numbers 53-55)

    Separate illustrations from the Osprey book about the 18th century Colonial troops of Spain:
    http://imtw.ru/index.php?showtopic=7663&st=130 (post number 132)


    I have several more books in my private collection but there are almost the same units and periods illustrations (War of Spanish Succession, SYW, War of the American independence, Napoleonic wars) so not sure if any more will be required as there is already quite a decent collection of pics. But give me know anyway.
    Hope you will do some great stuff for Spain as this is really fun faction to play in ETW.

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    Sorry for being absent so long.

    Russain Unit Roster 13

    1. 'Reitar' (on the left) and Officer (on the right). Life-Guards Horse Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 219419
    Other Pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0278.jpg 'Reitar' (on the right) and Officer (on the left).

    2. Soldier (on the left) and Officer (on the right). Dragoon Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 219420
    Other Pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0267.jpg Soldier. Dragoon Regiment.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0268.jpg Officer. Dragoon Regiment.

    3. Cuirassier. Cuirassier Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 219423
    Other Pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0272.jpg Cuirassier (on the left) and Officer (on the right).

    4. Grenadier. Dragoon Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 219426
    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0269.jpg

    5. UPPER RANGE: Cuirasses for lower ranks (on the left) and officers (on the right). Cuirassier Regiment. 1732-1742.
    MIDDLE RANGE: Bindings for cuirasses. 1732-1742.
    LOWER RANGE: Cuirasses for 'reitars' (on the left) and officers (on the right). Life-Guards Horse Regiment. 1732-1742.
    Attachment 219428
    Other pictures
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0273@.jpg Cuirasses and Bindings. Cuirassier Regiment. 1732-1742.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0279.jpg Cuirasses. Life-Guards Horse Regiment. 1732-1742.

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    Hi sir, I come in advance concerning the Ottoman Empire, I know you aren't doing it yet but I found a great research work about it that covers most of its army ,
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=469295
    here it is, I think it will be usefull when you'll come to the Ottoman Empire.

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    Russain Unit Roster 14

    1-2. Landmilitia. 1736-1742.
    Attachment 228801

    Other pictures.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0280.jpg Landmilitia lower ranks. 1736-1742.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0281.jpg Landmilitia officers. 1736-1742.

    3-4. Cadet-fusilier (on the left) and Officer of Fusilier company (on the left). Cadet Corps. 1736-1742.
    Attachment 228802

    Other pictures.
    http://adjudant.ru/table/images/Semenov_XVIII/12.gif Officer of fusilier company. Cadet Corps
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0286.jpg Officer of fusilier company. Cadet Corps. 1736-1742
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0284.jpg Cadet. 1736-1742
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0285.jpg Cuirass-soubreveste.

    5-6. Cadet-grenadier (on the left) and grenadier cap (on the right). Cadet Corps. 1736-1742
    Attachment 228803

    Other pictures.
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0282.jpg Grenadier and Fusilier. Cadet Corps. 1732-1742
    http://memorandum.ru/viskowatov/T02/pic/pic0283.jpg Grendier Cap. Cadet Corps. 1735-1762

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    Guys, I;ve played the game and I kind of curious if British late period militia has correct uniform. I've failed to find any documents on regulations regarding this matter so far. Maybe somebody has something?
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    Excellent work Pashka_1604

    But, as our 3 rosters will be :
    • early XVIIIth century : 1700-1715/1720
    • mid XVIIIth century : 1755-1762
    • late XVIIIth century : 1786-1799

    1730-1740 uniforms, even interesting, are out of range.


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    In regards to the unit roster for the Russians, how much detail are you looking for Russia's irregular cavalry units?

    My thinking was basically to go one of two ways:
    The first way would involve basically making a unit for each of the main 'types' of Cossacks and various eastern cavalry units with a different specialty (such as currently exists in the game.) This would necessitate roughly 6 units, I would say, to cover the 'major' groups.

    The second would be to simply create two units: Cossack lancers (lance armed cavalry, as implied,) cossack cavalry (armed with a sword and pistol or carbine,) and Asian Archer Cavalry (bow armed cavalry representing the various kalmyks, bashkirs and so forth.)

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    what those 6 units would be ?


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    Guard Cossacks (from middle era on) - Elite lancer units, possibly with carbines (accounts vary)
    Don Cossacks - Individual Don cossacks were considered able soldiers, but their officers were regarded as being poor quality. Good attack stats, but low morale, perhaps.
    Zaporozhian Cossacks (Later the Kuban Cossacks) - Regarded as fine soldiers all round, but generally too independent, preferring plundering and looting to actual fighting. Good stats all round, but high upkeep, perhaps?
    Terek Cossacks - Little account of what they actually did, since they spent most of their time in the south fighting the Turks. Perhaps use them as a 'middle ground' between the Zaporozhian and Don cossacks?

    Kalmuks and Bashkirs: Two seperate units, but I'd really have no idea how to distinguish them without some more specific research. Perhaps add the 'frightens enemy' characteristic to them, since their appearance did have some effect on Russia's enemies.

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    What their A.O.R would be ?
    We could perhaps allow Terek Cossacks only in southern region.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    What their A.O.R would be ?
    We could perhaps allow Terek Cossacks only in southern region.
    Zaphorozian would be only in the Ukraine, Don would be in the Azov region, Terek in the Caucuses. If you wanted to get really detailed, you could throw in the generic Cossack units as well to represent the minor Cossack groups.

    The Asiatic horse archers could be recruited from the far eastern provinces of Russia. As I recall, the Kalmuks were based around Astrakhan, for example.

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    Cavalry and infantry roster for the Russians. Not a final product, but a start.

    Cavalry:

    Starting:
    Boyar Cavalry
    Provincial cavalrymen
    Cossack Lancer
    Cossack Cavalry
    Asiatic Horse Archers

    Petrine:
    Elite:
    Horse Grenadiers

    Dragoons:
    Dragoon
    Garrison Dragoons

    Light:
    Hussars (Limited to 3 units)

    Irregular ('Colonial' Cavalry):
    Cossack Lancers
    Cossack Cavalry
    Kalmuk/Bashkir Horse Archers (Maybe just 'Asian Horse Archers'

    or something of that sort.)

    Elizabethian:
    Guard:
    Garde a Cheval

    Elite:
    Horse Grenadiers

    Heavy Cavalry:
    Cuirassiers

    Dragoons:
    Dragoons
    Garrison Dragoons

    Light:
    Hussars (Limited to 6 units)

    Irregular:
    Cossack Lancers
    Cossack Cavalry
    Kalmuk/Bashkir Horse Archers

    Catherinian/Paulian:
    Guard:
    Emperor's Lifeguard Cavalry (Garde a Cheval)
    Empress' Lifeguard Cavalry (Lifeguard Horse)
    Guard Hussars

    Elites:
    Horse Grenadiers
    Carabineers

    Heavy Cavalry:
    Cuirassiers

    Dragoons:
    Dragoons

    Light:
    Hussars

    Others:
    Uhlans (or 'Light Horse' Polish/Lithuanian regiments)
    Mounted Jaegers

    Irregular:
    Cossack Lancers
    Cossack Cavalry
    Kalmuk/Bashkir Horse Archers



    Infantry:

    Starting:
    Peasant levy
    Moscow Streltsy
    Provincial Steltsy
    Cossack Infantry
    Lefort's Regiment (limited to 1)
    Gordon's Regiment (limited to 1)
    Poteshnyi Regiments (limited to 1)


    Petrine:
    Guard:
    Preobrazhensky Guard
    Semenovsky Guard
    Preobrazhensky Grenadiers
    Semenovsky Grenadiers

    Elite:
    Bombardiers
    Lefort's Regiment (Possibly rename to '1st Moscow Infantry')
    Grenadiers:
    Converged Grenadiers

    Line Infantry:
    Line Infantry
    Garrison Infantry

    Provincial Infantry:
    Ukrainian Land Militia

    Militia:
    Provincial Streltsy

    Marine Infantry:
    Regiment of Naval Equipage

    Colonial Troops:
    Cossack Infantry

    Elizabethian:
    Guard:
    Preobrazhensky Guard
    Semenovsky Guard
    Preobrazhensky Grenadiers
    Semenovsky Grenadiers
    Izmailovsky Guard
    Izmailovsky Grenadiers

    Elite:
    Bombardiers
    Corps of Observation Grenadiers
    Corps of Observation Musketeers (Or 'Fusiliers')

    Grenadiers:
    Grenadiers
    Converged Grenadiers

    Line Infantry:
    Line Infantry
    Garrison Infantry
    German Infantry (the 'Mecklenburg Corps')

    Provincial Infantry:
    Ukrainian Land Militia
    Zakamskaia Land Militia (from Orenburg region)

    Militia:
    Inner Garrison Infantry

    Marine Infantry:
    Regiment of Naval Equipage

    Colonial Troops:
    Cossack Infantry
    Pandurs (limited to 3)


    Catherinian:
    Guard:
    Preobrazhensky Guard
    Semenovsky Guard
    Preobrazhensky Grenadiers
    Semenovsky Grenadiers
    Izmailovsky Guard
    Izmailovsky Grenadiers

    Elite:
    Fusiliers ('regular' infantry from grenadier regiments)
    Carabiners ('elite' companies of jaeger regiments)

    Grenadiers:
    Grenadiers
    Converged Grenadiers

    Line Infantry:
    Line Infantry
    Garrison Infantry

    Light Infantry:
    Jaegers

    Provincial Infantry:
    Ukrainian Land Militia
    Zakamskaia Land Militia (from Orenburg region)

    Militia:
    Inner Garrison Infantry

    Marine Infantry:
    Regiment of Naval Equipage

    Colonial Troops:
    Cossack Infantry

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    On the same subject, what's the stance on smaller units, or units that were part of other units?

    For example, I believe the Russian Lifeguard Artillery was only formed as a seperate unit in the Napoleonic era (I'd have to check that,) but the Lifeguard Artillery existed from the formation of the Guard as part of the various regiments therein.

    Likewise, the Guard had their own attached grenadier regiments (with unique uniforms) which might make an interesting gameplay addition.

    Looking at the roster, I'm thinking that Russia's gameplay will focus heavily on these elite units, so making them more detailed would probably be important. The rest of the army would basically serve the player as 'filler' (that is, cannon fodder ) in order to shield the Guard and other elite units for the final assault.

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