The RoP Chat Thread

[rez]

Anyway, back on topic:
Bull3pr00f, at this point, can you disclose what kind of troop types the Scythians/Skudata have? I remember you saying something a few pages ago about the unit rosters. But I don't recall anything specific regarding unit types.

We haven't been able to make our own yet so we're using some placeholders from other mods but they're going to resemble a proper faction at least. As Bull says its mostly strong skirmishing cavalry with some simple infantry for now.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

*For now*
(that's a hint at Rez: been busy all day figuring out bone weighting. I managed to make a complete unit - a horse archer - from scratch, so we're at least good for the Baktrians).

[rez]

I want to take a moment to let everyone appreciate how damn good that is. ^

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Bringing in from the other thread, as this is pretty important. It's about the Ionian/Dorian hoplites and my suggestion on removing their bronze cuirass:

^Good idea. Which also means skinning out their armour stats.

Not as much as you'd think. The main defence of these guys is their big ass shield, so their shield value remains high (which still lets them overpower two full units of sparabara by a slight margin, because of their tight formation. It remains tight in combat now, too.) but makes them suck against arrows. Basically the way we want it.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Bringing in from the other thread, as this is pretty important. It's about the Ionian/Dorian hoplites and my suggestion on removing their bronze cuirass:

Not as much as you'd think. The main defence of these guys is their big ass shield, so their shield value remains high (which still lets them overpower two full units of sparabara by a slight margin, because of their tight formation) but makes them suck against arrows. Basically the way we want it.

Two full units? Isn't that a bit too harsh?

[equites]

What about the Greeks I think they are really overpowered:-?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

We are talking about them now. About the generic militia hoplite unit, to be precise.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

Two full units? Isn't that a bit too harsh?

Until you see them against 2 units and 1 archer unit.
They're completely obliterated then.
Same goes for 1 Sparabara and 1 Takabara, or 1 Sparabara and 1 Asabari. Strength of the east lies in combined arms.

@equites
We're talking about the Greeks

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Until you see them against 2 units and 1 archer unit.
They're completely obliterated then.
Same goes for 1 Sparabara and 1 Takabara, or 1 Sparabara and 1 Asabari. Strength of the east lies in combined arms.

Which still means I have to bring three units to their one. Which is not realistic, as the combined arms concept worked even when you don't outnumber the enemy.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

2 units, actually.
1 full combined arms stack vs 1 full hoplite stack (a balanced one) is different than 1 vs 3 units, btw.

[rez]

Bottom line you aren't going to see 1 unit of Sparabara beat 1 unit of hoplites.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

2 units, actually.
1 full combined arms stack vs 1 full hoplite stack (a balanced one) is different than 1 vs 3 units, btw.

No, it isn't. The hoplites are invlunerable to anything that doesn't outnumber them 2 to 1. Which is not realistic.


@rez I don't want that; I just think there should be a way of beating them that doesn't involve AI reinforcements.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

remember that 1 hoplite unit has 60 man vs 1 unit of sparabara of 80 men. Unit vs Unit wise, this doesn't matter, but when you're fighting with stacks, it does.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

remember that 1 hoplite unit has 60 man vs 1 unit of sparabara of 80 men. Unit vs Unit wise, this doesn't matter, but when you're fighting with stacks, it does.

It also spoils battle result screens - I hate seeing I only won because I had 600 more men than the enemy.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

600 more men that used combined arms, though. The cost of hoplites will also be adjusted, so don't worry: they'll be balanced.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

What about multiplayer? I think I will do a seperate MP EDU, and release it on mah own. If I find a way to make it compatible.

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

The RoP edu is already balanced for that - we just need to redo it. Go check for yourself: every unit has 2 entries: a "campa" or "campu" and a "custa". Campa/Campu is for campaign, Custa is for multiplayer/custom battles.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

The RoP edu is already balanced for that - we just need to redo it. Go check for yourself: every unit has 2 entries: a "campa" or "campu" and a "custa". Campa/Campu is for campaign, Custa is for multiplayer/custom battles.

I never had the idea... Anyway, me and ImperiumIV tried playing it online - couldn't make it work.

[the persian Immortal]

Discuss anything you like here. I don't particularly feel like holding anybody's hands or wiping away any tears so be nice and remember you all have something in common.


Oh and if you have a question to ask the team then do it here and we can try and keep the other threads cleaner.

your right bro , sorry about all the argument in the ROP3 preview every body. I just get mad when people offened me like that but I'm cool now , again sorry every body.

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how many factions will you guys add to the mod in V3, are there going to be a new faction in asia ?

[Bull3pr00f de Bodemloze]

how many factions will you guys add to the mod in V3, are there going to be a new faction in asia ?

None; we're improving the existing factions
Besides, if we'd want to add new factions, we'd have to remove existing ones, because we've hit the limit.