List of Factions

[Ahmed IV]

is it possible for a user to edit the startpos of the mod so a faction isn't a protectorate?

[Okmin]

I think Mexico should be at war with France, just because Mexico is an interesting country and it'd be a shame for Mexico to not be playable. And it'd be a challenge. A disorganized, factious group of people living in a harsh area needing to unite to fight French opposition. Perhaps you can have French and Pro-French Mexicans to deal with when you start the campaign.

We're doing something with Mexico and France. I can't remember if it's a French army in Mexican Mexico or a Mexican army in French Mexico

is it possible for a user to edit the startpos of the mod so a faction isn't a protectorate?

Yeah, but there's plenty of bugs associated with it.

[Tango12345]

is it possible for a user to edit the startpos of the mod so a faction isn't a protectorate?

That is hopefully exactly what the protectorate campaign will do, but see Okmins post above.

[Ahmed IV]

Yeah, but there's plenty of bugs associated with it.

But you were able to make Egypt as a minor faction and playable in this pic, correct?



So if we reverse what was done to make it a protectorate, why would bugs appear (I'm simply wondering)?

[Tango12345]

That picture is a WIP update, and does not tell you whether it is a protectorate or not (actually at the point that picture was taken none of the diplomatic relations had been done at all, and not even all the regions had their correct owners). Making a faction playable is the easy bit. The bug Okmin mentions is not in the modding, but in the game. In ETW, even if a protectorate goes to war against its "patron" it still pays them the tribute, which is of course ludicrous, but its hard coded and we cannot do anything about it. Ergo having two campaigns, the main one having proper protectorate status, but you can't play as Egypt, and one where you can play as Egypt, and you don't have to worry about the protectorate bit.

[Okmin]

The Mamelukes are an emergent minor faction, not a protectorate from the start. What we did was emerge them and make them playable, then make them an Ottoman protectorate.

The bugs happen when you start with a protectorate and make it independent. So if you wanted a bug-free, non-protectorate Egypt, you'd have to start from scratch basically. Or you could just play as a protectorate and declare war on your protector, in which case the only bug is that your income doesn't double as it should (since you previously were giving the Ottomans half your income).

EDIT: Also, what Tango said

[Tango12345]

Ninja'd

[Ahmed IV]

I see. Thanks for your answers

EDIT: How about if you eliminate the Ottomans? You keep all the income right?

[Tango12345]

Nope. The bug (curse it) stays in place. Believe me, I've tried (albeit with the 13 colonies and GB, but its the same situation).

[Ahmed IV]

Wow that sucks. The money just disappears then.

CA should have fixed it, not for modders (though they should), but because if you play a vanilla game it puts the AI protectorates at a disadvantage.

[Okmin]

Not really. The AI never declares war on it's protector and they already get income bonuses anyway

[Tango12345]

And those bonuses are frankly huge.

[T.C.]

Isn't it possible that the cash isn't taken from the protectorate faction, but simply generated for the protector faction? Do the income figures work out in game, or is there clearly cash being taken?

[Okmin]

It shows up in the "Other" category for your income. Protector gets +x, protecorate gets -x. So it could be anything...

[Ahmed IV]

That's not what I meant. I meant a "protector" name could get eliminated before the proctorate. I'm not sure if the bonuses make up for the loss of half the income.

[Okmin]

It doesn't.

[persianfan247]

You can still make Protectorates playable as Proctectorates rather then as a non-proctectorate.

[EmperorBatman999]

You can still make Protectorates playable as Proctectorates rather then as a non-proctectorate.

To save this for Okmin, not really. Yes, it's possible, but if the Protectorate goes to war with the Protector, the Protectorate still loses half its income to the former Protector.

[Okmin]

Thanks But I'm going to talk to TC and see it there's a way to script a "fix" for it.

[Saddletank]

Emergent: Bulgaria, Poland, India, Cuba, Ireland, Serbia, Romania, Canada, Dominican Republic (replaces Haiti), Madhists (Egypt), Hungary

I am not sure if this list is now out of date but given that Ireland didn't gain her independence until 1921 I'm not sure you need to have her as an emergent nation.

If you've since rethought this then feel free to pour scorn on me for not reading the thead fully