Missle-units rebalance v3.00 [Updated 01.12.12]

[zowrath]

Since PFM is now working for the files needed I've started working on rebalancing missile units as I promised in several threads. This mod is an improvement over the reload-rate mod and includes other tweaks as well.

In essence, reload rate is still cut by 20% and accuracy has been cut by 30%, while artillery units only had their reload rate decreased. Projectile ranges for normal arrows have been adjusted. Ashigaru 140m, Samurai at 160m, Monks at 180m and Horse archers at 130m. Damage, velocity and base reload rate of the arrow has also further been edited. Flaming and whistling arrows has also been tweaked.

This mod is not compatible with those that edit missile units in unit_stats_land_tables or those that edit any arrows in projectile_tables.

Installation: Download, unpack with 7zip and put in your Data-folder.

No one may publish or upload this mod to any other sites without first asking permission.


Version history:

3.0.0 Updated to work with latest patch

2.01 Corrected range for Rise of the Samurai units

2.00 Updated to work with all the new units and latest patch

1.21 Minor update to Ashigaru, increased range to 140m as 120m proved too short under certain circumstances.

1.2 Initial release

[zonelord]

you made my day m8 ... thx

NOW this game is ready to be played seriously!!!

works fine with all these mods in data folder:
zw_no_projectile_trails_1.1
Vein_NinjaV1
unit cards beta 2.01
unitvarietyv1
Toons_32bitV1_Shogun
S2R_v0310
mod_no_realm_divide_effects
mod_lessgloss
mod_Faction_color11
MOD_Japanese_fix_v2
mod_extended_campaign_1640_all
aum_sho_mod

[zowrath]

Great to hear that. Minor update to Ashigaru, as their heavily decreased range proved difficult under some circumstances.

[Toyotomi]

I have a weird question for you.

I have been playing around with some mods, a couple of which somehow removed something which was and is in my vanilla game, but apparently not in everyones (not sure).

Namely, my kisho ninjas have the ability to throw bombs (exactly the same as fire bomb throwers). A couple of mods I tried, selahedin's improved matchlocks / diminished archers / radious improved stats, all seemed to disable this ability to throw the bombs, also gave them no range indicator and they had a range value of 0.

I have since downloaded the packfile manager and had a brief look around. I noticed while playing your missle rebalance mod here that the ninjas still had this ability. So I checked it out in your files and they do indeed have "artillery" type 2 "sling" and "projectileIDRef" "shogun_fire_bomb", whereas ^ the above mentioned mods (and also my default vanilla data.pack) does not have these values.

Did your files come this way?

The truly odd thing is that, while your file does have these values which would make sense that the ninja function this way, my default vanilla files DO NOT have the values and yet still have the ability even though they should not.

My friend has and unmodded (never touched anything) fresh steam install (he hasn't even patched it) and he also has the same fire bomb throwing ninjas.

I'm slightly curious if people have somehow gotten different versions or possibly bugged versions of the game (could be retail versus steam, who knows)

Can you shed any light at all perhaps? again I know it might be a weird question. Thanks

[zowrath]

I think some people may use the file from data.pack and not from the latest patch-pack. Files changed since then. I'm using the one from the latest patch.

[Toyotomi]

Yea after fiddling around with the patch files I noticed the same thing, default the ninjas don't have the firebombs but in the updated patch packs they do.

Thanks for taking the time to answer this had me very confused for a couple of days lol...

The odd thing is the ninja unit description, says they should be throwing something akin to ninja stars / shurikens. I think that firebombs is a tad... well yea, but I like it! Seems like maybe they wanted to or want to implement something a bit more balanced but just went with the bombs instead (or for now)

Btw, enjoying this archer re-balance best, nice valid difference between bow ashigaru and samurai (and even monks with a bit longer range).

[Lord of the Isles]

I've been using this mod (along with the unit speed reduction one) since it came out and am really happy with it. However, I suspect that the release of the Ikko Ikki DLC means that their Ronin archers remain with their vanilla stats even when using this mod (they certainly have higher accuracy that similarly experience Monk archer units which seems wrong).

Any chance Zowrath that your mod could be extended to include Ronin archers?

[zowrath]

I've been using this mod (along with the unit speed reduction one) since it came out and am really happy with it. However, I suspect that the release of the Ikko Ikki DLC means that their Ronin archers remain with their vanilla stats even when using this mod (they certainly have higher accuracy that similarly experience Monk archer units which seems wrong).

Any chance Zowrath that your mod could be extended to include Ronin archers?

I'm enjoying some vacation-time at the moment, but I will have look at it when I can.

[Lord of the Isles]

I'm enjoying some vacation-time at the moment, but I will have look at it when I can.

I see I missed out the most important part of my post: Thank You very much for all the work you have done! Really appreciated.

Now enjoy the vacation and I'll happily wait

[zowrath]

Updated to work with the new units and latest patch!

Z.

[Bad213Boy]

Why would you decrease accuracy? If anything, the accuracy needs to be increased. Especially with the Mangonels. As is, you're proposing they become worse then they are now? That's crazy. I know you have the freedom to do what ever you want, but when I read your title, it makes me think someone actually put a lot of thinking in to this, more realism.

Right now, I would never recruit the Mangonels. I'd much rather have Rockets than those things. Mangonels couldn't hit the brawn side of a barn if it was painted red. Mangonels should at lease be able to hit in a general area, otherwise they're useless in a video game.

[Unahim]

Personally I use a mod of my own design that rolls back some changes done to the siege units(changes made to the entire game under pressure from certain cheesy MP setups), and even then the Magonels only make, like, 50 kills in battles where the rest of my units make tons and tons.

However, they slowly creep up in experience, and then when they hit about 5 levels of experience... Holy . Suddenly they are unstoppable killing machines, racking up in the 300s. Why? Hmm, well, I guess a little accuracy bonus from those levels just goes a very long way when you're lobbing a projectile that only needs to land in the general vicinity.(I was testing with Hojo though, so... yeah)

[Bad213Boy]

Personally I use a mod of my own design that rolls back some changes done to the siege units(changes made to the entire game under pressure from certain cheesy MP setups), and even then the Magonels only make, like, 50 kills in battles where the rest of my units make tons and tons.

However, they slowly creep up in experience, and then when they hit about 5 levels of experience... Holy . Suddenly they are unstoppable killing machines, racking up in the 300s. Why? Hmm, well, I guess a little accuracy bonus from those levels just goes a very long way when you're lobbing a projectile that only needs to land in the general vicinity.(I was testing with Hojo though, so... yeah)

IC, so the experience that I should be shooting for. Ya I producing like level 3 Magonels and was still disappointed. I guess I need to level them up. But then again, those Rockets are ing amazing. I wonder what would be better, experienced Mangonels or experienced Rockets. I'll have to test that out.

[Unahim]

Well, if you're not Hojo AND using the current vanilla stats, that would put quite a difference in stats between the magonels we used as well..

[zowrath]

Good to remind me, after that last updated I forgot to mention in the info that artillery units only has their reload rate decreased. Not their accuracy.

[zowrath]

Updated to work with the latest patch.