What if Manstein was Guderian's superior, and Guderian was Rommel's superior?

[Vir Triumphalis]

Lets say that Manstein commanded Army Group South during Operation Barbarossa. As many of you know, AGS was the slowest of the three army groups to advance not only because they faced better opposition but because AGS was tasked in conquering Ukraine, which is a large country, thus dispersing their forces. How do you think they would have fared especially in the first week of the war during Brody-Dubno-Rovno Battles?

However, you can put them in any situation, like Stalingrad, Moscow or Kursk.

[Heinz Guderian]

i dont think it would have mattered. The Fuhrer would still have interfered. And he had his lackey's and yes men who would **** things up as well for the rest. People like von Reichenau, Keitel, von Paulus, von Braucitsch. And Rommel was in North Afrika at the time. He made alot of bad decisions on his own. Like the first Tobruk.

[Erwin Rommel]

*sulks in the corner, kicking in the sand.*

[Heinz Guderian]

you taught von Paulus everything you knew about siege warfare when he came and visited you. He took all that info to Stalingrad. You just werent very good when you stood still. There was no better on the move though.

[Vir Triumphalis]

i dont think it would have mattered. The Fuhrer would still have interfered. And he had his lackey's and yes men who would **** things up as well for the rest. People like von Reichenau, Keitel, von Paulus, von Braucitsch. And Rommel was in North Afrika at the time. He made alot of bad decisions on his own. Like the first Tobruk.

Hitler did interfered but that was during late July, so there was time. A breakout in AGS wouldn't have left a bulge between AGS and AGC. With that Hitler wouldn't have interfered. He may had made bad decisions but ultimately he was defeated because of supplies.

[Henry X]

yet Army Group South also experienced the greatest success.

And my dad can back this up (he's studied the eastern front for over a decade).

[Vir Triumphalis]

They had great successes led by inferior commanders. If Manstein led AGS, they would have crossed the Dneiper within 1 month or less.

[Henry X]

Wasn't Runstedt the man in charge down there. I recall him being quite a capable marshal.

Granted, Hitler did get rid of him after they had a disagreement over the Eastern Front.

[Vir Triumphalis]

Yes it was Runsdtedt. Given the fact that Manstein > Runsdtedt, we would have seen AGS advance much faster than it did

[Henry X]

Manstein was a field marshal, or are you saing he's a better commander?

my dad read his memoirs and apparantly Manstein would accomplish his goals, but he would take casualties.

As for Guderian, he was brilliant at what he did.

[Vir Triumphalis]

Manstein was a field marshal, or are you saing he's a better commander?

my dad read his memoirs and apparantly Manstein would accomplish his goals, but he would take casualties.

As for Guderian, he was brilliant at what he did.

I'm saying Manstein is a better commander. That's obvious. Third Battle of Kharkov, Siege of Sevastopol, Operation Winterstom, Fall Geb, etc. are all his doings. I believe its ground, not casualties. He would give ground to an advancing enemy and attack it on its flanks.