If there is to be a new WEF, I think it should be the standard UKA only. No second nation.
If there is to be a new WEF, I think it should be the standard UKA only. No second nation.
Last edited by Xion; April 03, 2011 at 06:00 PM.
That's the one that literally just happened Gun
Meh. Doesn't leave much room for unit variety(for the greeks anyway) and playable factions.
when the union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun,
yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
but the union makes us strong.
The Peloponesian war is perhaps a better setting for a greek based IH. A lot of Politicking, Naval and Land Warfare.
Unit variety is a bit of a problem, you have Hoplites and then assorted light troops and cavalry. however once you add in Militia, Regular and Elite units its pretty much the same level as the current 30YW.
Factions are easy as well, off the top of my head.
Sparta, Corinth, Thebes, Syracuse, Megara and maybe some other smaller states
vs
Athens, Platea, Corcyra, Lesbos, Samos, Amphipolis and other islands.
Last edited by Majonga; April 09, 2011 at 10:41 AM.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence: when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - Sun Tzu
I suppose. I just don't like the "close with the enemy and then bash each other's brains out" approach of a Phalanx.
when the union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun,
yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
but the union makes us strong.
It is basically the same style of warfare as you see in 1642, except the ranged units have guns and the Pikemen don't have shields. Apart from Cannon, which i suppose adds a different dimension to battle.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence: when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - Sun Tzu
except no cannon duels. Siege warfare in Greece in the 5th Century was pretty poor.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence: when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - Sun Tzu
True, true. I just think its a mistake to dismiss any epoch of warfare as "bashing each others brains out"
Except, you know, Phalanxes, because, that's pretty much what they did. Their spears, compared to the 1642 spears, are pretty short, and their shields are capable of literally bashing someone's brains out.
when the union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun,
yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
but the union makes us strong.
So pikemen in 1642 didn't stab people or knock their brains out? Did they kill them with kindness?
The pushing an shoving of Phalanx warfare is incredibly similar if not the same as the Push of Pike in the 1600s.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence: when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - Sun Tzu
The "bashing" is from the shields, not the pikes, Kip. You can't do any damage if you whack a pike off a guy's head. At least, not much.
when the union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun,
yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
but the union makes us strong.
You're nitpicking, Fred. And I certainly wouldn't want a pike to the head.
In phalanx warfare the shield is a pushing weapon. When two Phalanxes' crash against each other the men used the shields to press against each other and kill their opponents by stabbing overhand with spears or under arm with short swords. Wounds caused in Phalanx are usually stab wounds to the neck and groin, very similar to those suffered in a Push of Pike.
"All warfare is based on deception. Hence: when able to attack, we must seem unable; when using our forces, we must seem inactive; when we are near, we must make the enemy believe we are far away; when far away, we must make him believe we are near." - Sun Tzu
What I am saying is that the shield can be a deadly weapon too.
when the union's inspiration through the worker's blood shall run,
there can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun,
yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one?
but the union makes us strong.