So how's the reinforcements?

**Running Nose** · March 16, 2011, 07:48 PM

Does it work better now? Do they enter correctly and don't take 3 hours to join the fight?

**Spaxspore** · March 16, 2011, 08:19 PM

yea, even shows an arrow on the battle map indicating where they are coming in from.

**Silly Wizard** · March 16, 2011, 08:27 PM

They show up directly behind the direction of where you deploy. So if you really need the backup move to the best defendable location near the rear of the map and within a few seconds voila reinforcements have arrived.

**Xatham** · March 16, 2011, 08:27 PM

dunno, this stack showed up 10 minutes later.

That may be because the first attack was by a full stack and needed to have some retreats before the reinforcements could come in

**Puzzlemaker** · March 16, 2011, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Xatham

dunno, this stack showed up 10 minutes later.

That may be because the first attack was by a full stack and needed to have some retreats before the reinforcements could come in

That's exactly it.

**aus-rotten** · March 17, 2011, 01:27 AM

but can I CHOOSE before the battle if reinforcements coming in (like in MTW2), or is it the same crap like in ETW and NTW, where any army (even in citites) near to my attacking army would reinforce?

never understood why they changed the system from MTW2.

thanks for your answers.

**♔DARTH LEGO♔** · March 17, 2011, 01:29 AM

Another question:

Do they come in under AI control as a full stack or reinforcing losses in yor own stack?

**themoob** · March 17, 2011, 01:41 AM

They reinforce your own stack, you can't put them under AI control sadly, which can mean your 3 full stacks can mean nothing against 1 stack in a decent defensive position.

**♔DARTH LEGO♔** · March 17, 2011, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by themoob

They reinforce your own stack, you can't put them under AI control sadly, which can mean your 3 full stacks can mean nothing against 1 stack in a decent defensive position.

So ala ETW.....

**looks at clipboard**
**marks FAIL on Pro's & Cons next to whether he should buy STW2 or not**

**vonPauluS** · March 17, 2011, 04:32 AM

Pfff,really dissapointed to hear that Shogun 2 has NTW,ETW crappy reinforcement system,which sux...

**GTFO. Jamie** · March 17, 2011, 05:50 AM

was a shame to hear, was hoping for AI controlled reinforcements.

Having 4 stacks attack your one stack is rarely a problem, as the reinforcements will drip in one unit at a time and can easily be dealt with

it would only be if the four stacks entered the battlefield against your one would there be a challenge

**M2TWRocks** · March 17, 2011, 07:07 AM

I think the reason for the reinforcement system being implimented the way it has is due to the advantages the player could have against the AI if all stacks fought simultaneously. The game would have much less strategy than now, and would end up being little more than a rush to get the largest army.

**DrJambo** · March 17, 2011, 07:20 AM

They might be ok for the human, but I've experienced AI reinforcements sitting idle outside castle walls, or worse still, sitting idle at the edge of the map. Definitely needs fixed but what worries me is this 'bug' has been around since Medieval 2 Total War.

Only current ways round this are:
1. To bait them by leaving your fort/castle.
2. To run down the timer (note: don't set the battle timer to 60 min or indefinite!!)

**M2TWRocks** · March 17, 2011, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by DrJambo

They might be ok for the human, but I've experienced AI reinforcements sitting idle outside castle walls, or worse still, sitting idle at the edge of the map. Definitely needs fixed but what worries me is this 'bug' has been around since Medieval 2 Total War.

Only current ways round this are:
1. To bait them by leaving your fort/castle.
2. To run down the timer (note: don't set the battle timer to 60 min or indefinite!!)

Yeah, I've fought 2 castle siege battles. The first one had the AI attack on three flanks with small forces. But a larger force was running back and forth at the edge of the map for the entire time. I didn't have enough time to wait them out, so I just shut off the game. I agree. This type of bug, particularly as it pertains to sieges, has been around since at least M2TW.