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[T&D]

I need Armenian and truks units research ,anyone can help?

Ask Alfali,matmohair or Teureki

[Silesian_Noble]

Ask Alfali,matmohair or Teureki

Alfaji is good in Arabic history, not Armenian Matmohair has plenty good pictures for references, but for Turkish research Tureuki is the best guy around - he is Turkish (so he has access to Turkish sources), he has great history knowledge about Turk history and he is completely objective.

[one day]

The new units are realy amazing. I have tried both historical battles but everytime I have got CTD after death of general on the battlefield.

[druzhina345]

The main primary documentary source for Seljuk dress and armour of the 13th century is the Romance of Varqa and Gulshah


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1: A scene showing four bazaar shops, a jewelry store, herbalism drugstore, a butcher and a bakery with a character who takes the bread from the oven; inscription: "Representation of the encampment of the Banū Shayba."
2: Warqah and Gulshāh before their tutor sitting on a throne; inscription: "Representation of the cousins and of the tutor."
3: Scene of war; inscription: "Night Attack of Rabī‘ b. ‘Adnān."
4: Scene of war; inscription: "Representation of the night attack of Rabi b. ‘Adnān."
5: Gulshāh in the tent of Rabī‘, seated on a throne, with whom there is a servant; to the right and left four servants bearing gifts to Gulshāh
6: The battlefield after the war; inscription: "Description of the condition of Banū Shaybah, killed or wounded, after the night attack."
7: Inside the house (or tent) of Gulshāh's old father, seated on a throne; in front of him stands Warqah; outside the door, the doorman and two men with a horse.
8: Departure of the Banū Shaybah for the war of vengeance; all horses are different colours.
9: War Scene containing four riders and four people including two dead and fallen to the ground.
10: Another scene from the same war; inscription: "The war of the Banū Shaybah with the Banū Dabya."
11: Another scene of war. Rabī‘ cutting the head of his opponent; in the middle of the image a fox.
12: Another scene from the same war; among the riders there is a fox and another animal resembling a dragon, with Chinese type clouds.
13: Scene of the struggle of Warqah's father and of Rabī‘; behind them their squires and a rabbit.
14: Rabī‘ kills the father of Warqah
15: Warqah takes in his arms his father Humām, killed; to the right two horses over which there are three birds
16: The struggle between Warqah and Rabī‘; beside Warqah there is a cypress and a bird, Rabī‘ next to a flowering plant and three birds.
17: Another scene of struggle between Warqah and Rabï'; amid a cypress, and plants; to right and left, birds; Warqah's horse wears chain mail.
18: Another scene of the same struggle, Warqah's horse is injured.
19: Gulshāh fleeing the palace of Rabī‘; a rabbit among the feet of the horse; to the right the door and the walls of a palace
20: The contemplation of Gulshāh, the fight between Warqah and Rabī‘, a rabbit between the feet of Rabī‘ ’s horse; behind him, a bird; behind Gulshāh three birds at various positions
21: Warqah is taken by Rabī‘, one sees another rider that must be Gulshāh disguised
22: Gulshāh uncovers her face; facing Rabī‘ on the horse, behind him Warqah, half naked and bound.
23: Gulshāh kills Rabī‘ by driving the lance in his chest; four horsemen and Warqah bound; inscription: "Gulshāh kills Ibn ‘Adnān, saves Warqah"
24: Gulshāh kills the son of Rabī‘; to right a bird like a crane and an ornamental plant, on the other side plants flower
25: The struggle of Gulshāh with Ghālib, the other son of Rabī‘, under the belly of Gulshāh's horse - a dog
26: Gulshāh struggles with Ghālib, on foot; on one side Gulshāh's horse, throat cut, and on the other, that of Ghālib, two legs cut off; in corners, weapons
27: The entrance of Warqah into the enemy encampment to save Gulshāh; in the middle a tent, next to a door, to the right Warqah, to the left a horse
28: Interior of the same scene; Ghālib seated on a throne, a sword in one hand and a glass of wine in the other; Gulshāh before him, beside the tent a door with a doorman, outside Warqah
29: Warqah cuts off the head of Ghālib; Gulshāh is standing; to the right a door and flowering plants.
30: Warqah on a throne with his slave, birds and plants fill space.
31: Warqah speaks with the mother of Gulshāh; an empty throne on which there are two cushions and cloth, three birds and a flowering plant in voids
32: Interview of the mother of Gulshāh with her husband sitting on a throne; right one three-legged table on which there are fruits, and a door; coloured blue, chinese type cloud.
33: Farewell visit of Warqah to Gulshāh, before his departure for Yemen; within a tent, to the right a door, to the left a flowering plant and birds; before them a cat; inscription: "Warqah and his Gulshāh."
34: Same scene, within a tent (or house), to the left a door and a porter; inscription: "Oath of fidelity of Warqah and of Gulshāh."
35: Same scene under a cypress with a bird to left and to right, plants; to the left a crow and a rooster in a fighting position
36: Warqah enters into the city of Yemen and Warqah speaking with the Vizier; to right a horse at rest, and Warqah who enters; to the left two tents, in one is found the vizier and the other Warqah with a candle; behind the tent two horses with a feed bag and a guard.
37: The exit of the armed Warqah from the walls of Yemen, flanked by two riders.
38: Warqah to battle; with him, a standard-bearer, behind him, two figures on camels beating large drums; in front of him, two riders and foot-soldier; inscription: "The army of Warqah scatters that of Bahrain and of ‘Adan."
39: Struggle of Warqah with a warrior of ‘Adan.
40: Combat of Warqah with the army of Bahrain and of ‘Adan, seven armed horsemen in various positions, in the midst a warrior wounded by an arrow
41: Scene of war; Warqah brings defeat to the army of Bahrain and ‘Adan and the pursuit.
42: The King of Shām disguised as a merchant; two tents, in the largest of which he is sitting on a throne
43: Two tents; in one, the king of Shām sits on the throne; the other is empty, Gulshāh being on the outside; inscription: "Gulshāh leaves the tent."
44: Inside a tent, to left and to right two plants; inscription: "The old woman came and brought gold to the wife of Hilāl."
45: A reception with the king of Shām sitting on his throne; the first of four people sitting is Hilāl, the father of Gulshāh; inscription: "The king of Shām sits."
46: The fainting of Gulshāh upon hearing that her father has given her as wife to the king; inside a tent, to right a rabbit and a duck, to left two birds (perhaps falcons) and flowers; inscription: "and she lost consciousness."
47: Gulshāh suffering in her tent; her mother sitting on the right, on the left two cats biting the tail of each other; inscription: "The mother of Gulshāh."
48: Gulshāh with a slave to whom she gives a ring to give to Warqah; behind her a cheetah and plants
49: Inside a tent where they are preparing to hide a slaughtered sheep in place of the body of Gulshāh; to the right is Hilāl, Gulshāh's father and on the left her mother in mourning; both in mourning; inscription: "They hide the sheep."
50: The fainting of Warqah learning of the alleged death of Gulshāh; behind him, Hilāl weeping, and his wife in mourning, with decorations in blue, including animal heads and a man.
51: They brought Warqah to the tomb of the sheep; two people assist Warqah, in the middle - the grave, to left is Hilāl weeping and behind him, his wife in the same attitude
52: Visit of Hilāl to Warqah; behind him a mouse whose tail was caught by a cat, and a plant in which one can discern a hand, an apple and a monkey's head
53: Warqah opens the tomb and finds the corpse of the sheep; in the middle the young girl
54: Warqah leaves his tribe after learning the truth; wall of a city, a door, outside Warqah armed, on horseback.
55: The King of Shām on horseback, brings the wounded Warqah; amid a plant on which there are birds, to the left a servant, who carries Warqah on his back
56: Warqah wounded in bed; a plant on which there are two falcons, to the right a servant and, behind her, a dog
57: Warqah on a throne, on his left a three-legged table, on which there are fruits; left a jug of water; in the middle a servant; to the right plant under which is a rabbit, two birds, fly over the head of Warqah.
58: Gulshāh half-reclining on a throne, found the ring in the milk, in the middle a bowl on which there are cuts with the milk; before it a servant; inscription: "She drank the milk, found the ring, and [lost] consciousness. "
59: Fainting of Warqah and of Gulshāh seeing themselves from afar; a city gate; to the right Warqah fell unconscious from his horse, on the left Gulshāh fainted; inscription that I have not been able to read.
60: The King of Shām between Warqah and Gulshāh; inside a tent.
61: Warqah and Gulshāh face-to-face; to the left the door half open, to the right a plant; inscription on the golden part: 'amal 'Abd al-Mumin b. Muhammad al-Hawi alnaqqāsh.
62: Chat of the three friends sitting: King of Shām, Warqah and Gulshāh.
63: Scene of farewell; the sleeping king on his throne, in the middle Gulshāh, left most Warqah; inscription erased.
64: The King attends the departure of Warqah on horseback, leaving Shām, behind him his servant, in front Gulshāh, rightmost a bizarre animal.
65: Warqah dead, his servant and two horsemen with black figures.
66: Interior of the house where you will find Gulshāh; a closed door, to the left a plant with a rabbit; inscription: "Gulshāh recites a poem during the separation."
67: Gulshāh goes to the tomb of Warqah and throws herself on the tomb, from right to left: the tomb, Gulshāh, a litter of woman and two horses; Gulshāh throwing herself on the ground, a horse; inscription: "Gulshāh gets out of the litter."
68: Gulshāh on the tomb of Warqah and five people including the king weeping
69: The tomb of Warqah and Gulshāh; to the right the king, behind him another person, to the left two men visiting the tomb; inscription: "The tomb of Warqah and Gulshāh." Right corner an inscription that I was not able to read.
70: The visit of the Prophet to the tomb; he is seated on a throne, to the right Abu Bakr and Uthman, his friends and future caliphs, to the left the king of Shām standing, behind him a servant .
71: Resurrection of Warqah and Gulshāh, by the prayer of the Prophet, in attitude of prayer behind him his four friends and future caliphs, and the king of Shām, Warqah and Gulshāh emerging from the tomb; inscription: "the Prophet made the prayer; Warqah and Gulshāh out of the tomb."

A page of small coloured images from the Turkish Cultural Foundation

Other Information about Seljuks:

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Saljuq Clothing by Elsie H. Peck
Seljuk Male Clothing
Seljuk Soldiers on a Bas Relief
Seljuk Cavalry on a Bas Relief
Horseman of Raqqa (Faris al-Raqqa)
Seljuk horsemen on a Minai Ware Bowl, 13th century
Seljuk Bowl with Astronomical and Royal Figures, C12-13
Bowl with Paired Riders, C12-13
Seljuq Horseman on a Bowl, 12-13C
Elephant on a Seljuq Bowl, Kashan, 1218
Saljuq Bowl, Kashan, C12-13
Seljuk Horsemen on a Minai Ware Jug, 12-13C
Horseman & Castle on a Kashan Minai Bowl, 12-13C
Seljuk Lampas Robe
Another Seljuk Lampas Robe
Seljuk Horsemen on a Minai Bowl, Kashan, c1200
Saljuq Turkish Elite Cavalry on a Glazed Tile
Two Seljuk Painted Bowls, 13-14C
Seljuk Horsemen on a Wall Painting
Seljuk Stucco Figures
Minai bowl showing Bahram Gur and Azade on a camel
The Seljuqs of Rum by Steven Lowe and Martin Baker
Pre-Mongol Persian Costume Or 11th and 12th Century Seljuk Dynasty Costume by Dinah Tackett
Seljuk Bowl with Rider, 13th century
Seljuk Footed Bowl, c1200
The Medieval Steppe Warrior by Steven Baker
12th Century Glass Medallion
Kitab al-Diryaq (the Book of Antidotes) by Pseudo-Gallen, 1198CE
Kitab al-Diryaq (the Book of Antidotes) by Pseudo-Gallen, mid 13th century
Book of Fixed Stars by al SufiMs Marsh 14, 1009-10Ms Sotheby's - Lot 34, 1125 Ms Fatih 3422, 1125Ms Ahmet III 3493, 1130-31 Ms Ross.1033, 1224.Ms Ayasofya 2595, 1249-50. Ms Or.5323, c1270Ms Dar al-Kutub miqat 390, 1224.
Kitab al-Aghani (Book of Songs)
Battle plate, early 13th century, large image, Detail of Siege Engine and Armour & detail a the combat in the centre
Saljuq Dish with horseman, late 12th to early 13th century
Seljuk Mina'i Bowl, 12th-13 century
Seljuk Mina'i Bowl with a ruler and attendants, 12th-13 century
Seljuk Mina'i Bowl with a ruler and attendants, 12th-13 century
Seljuk Mina'i Bowl with mounted archer, 12th-13 century
Seljuk beaker, Kashan, Iran, late 12th century
Seljuk beaker, late 12th century
Seljuk Candlestick, Anatolia, mid 13th century
Seljuk bowl fragment, late 12th-early 13th century
Saljuq star with Rustam and the Dragon, late 12th century
Ceramics showing Saljuq Costume
A 13th century Kelile ve Dimne
Seljuk Bowl with Rider, 12th to 13th century
Seljuk horseman wearing fur lined hat
Automaton in Saljuq Costume, 1206
Minai plate by Abu Zaid al-Kashani, 1187AD
Horseman on Seljuk Bowl from Rayy, 12th to 13th centuries
Seljuq Steel Mirror with Mounted Hunter
Plaster Relief of Seljuq Cavalry Fighting a Dragon
Seljuq Bowl with Horseman, 12th to 13th centuries
Seljuq Bowl with Turkish horseman, 12th-13th centuries
An Arabic Translation of the Materia Medica of Dioscorides by 'Abdullah ibn al-Fadl
Machine Pouring Wine, after al-Jazari, c. 1315AD
Seljuk Bowl with Turkish Couple, c. 1200AD
Scylitzes Chronicle, f234v A Battle Between Byzantines and Seljuks.
A Seljuk Hoard from Persia by Basil Gray

Drawings of & notes by Ian Heath - based on the above:
Turkish cavalry
Seljuk Heavy Cavalryman
Seljuk Infantrymen
Rumi Firenk Heavy Cavalryman
Saracen Standards

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The Romance of Varqa and Gulshah.
Other Information about Seljuks:

druzhina345
Illustrations of Costume & Soldiers

[Aruthiel]

These pictures of Seljuk Turks from the Romance of Varqa and Gulshah, c1250 might be of interest:
The images in approximate order: Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4 & Page 5
Plus large pictures of:
Bazaar at the camp of the Banu Shayba
The young Varqa and Gulshah seated before their teacher
Rabi attacks his enemies by night
The Surprise attack
Rabi tries to win the affections of the captured Gulshah, by offering her his wealth
The Banu Shayba have suffered a great defeat
Varqa talks to his father
Varqa and his father leave the Banu Shayba
Battle between the Banu Zabba and the Banu Shayba
Battle between the Banu Zabba and the Banu Shayba
Rabi in combat with the Banu Shayba
Rabi in combat with the Banu Shayba
Rabi fights Varqa's Father
Rabi kills Varqa's Father
Varqa laments his father
Varqa in combat with Rabi
Varqa in combat with Rabi
Rabi wounds Varqa in the thigh
Gulshah flees disguised as a man
Varqa and Rabi fight on horseback
Varqa taken prisoner by Rabi
Gulshah prepares to take off her veil
Gulshah kills Rabi with her lance
Gulshah kills Rabi
Combat between Gulshah and Rabi's son
Gulshah fights Rabi's other son
f.27, f.28, f.29, f.30, f.31, f.32, f.33
Varqa farewells Gulshah amongst trees and birds
Varqa farewells Gulshah in a tent
f.36
Warqa leads the army out of Yemen
Varqa's men disperse the troops of Aden and Bahrayn
Varqa overthrows an Adeni
Varqa and the Yemenis fight Bahrayn and Aden
Army of Yemen defeats Bahrayn and Aden
The King of Syria asks to marry Gulshah
f.43/41a.
Gulsha's mother is persuaded
f.45, f.46
Gulshah suffers alone in her tent
f.48, f.49
It is Varka says Gulshah
f.52, f.53, f.54
King Sham 'the falcon' takes the wounded Varka to his palace
Varqa lies wounded in bed
Gulshah's confidant comes to Varqa
The girl tells Varqa that Gulshah is alive, but married and living in Syria. She explains the trick Gulshah's mother played on him.
On his journey to Damascus Varka is attacked by thieves, wounded and losses conciousness. His horse takes him to a place where he is found.
Varqa says he must go. After all, he says, Gulshah is the lawful wife of the King of Syria.
On the way Varqa meets a physician whom he asks to cure him of the pain he is suffering. But the physician says only reunion with his beloved will cure him.
Varqa prays for God to take his soul since he can not bear to be separated from Gulshah. Varqa dies.
A messenger comes to tell of Varqa's death
Gulshah finds the tomb of Warqa.
Gulsha dies
The King of Syria mourns over the tombs of Warqa and Gulshah
One year after the tragedy, the Prophet Mohammad passes by the place and hears about Varqa and Gulshah.
The Prophet Muhammad, accompanied by the King of Sham and the four Rightly-Guided Caliphs, resurrects Varqa and Gulshah from their tomb.

A page of small coloured images from the Turkish Cultural Foundation

Other Information about Seljuks :
Saljuq Clothing by Elsie H. Peck
Seljuk Male Clothing
Seljuk Soldiers on a Bas Relief
Seljuk Cavalry on a Bas Relief
Seljuk horsemen on a Minai Ware Bowl, 13th century
Seljuk Bowl with Astronomical and Royal Figures, C12-13
Bowl with Paired Riders, C12-13
Seljuq Horseman on a Bowl, 12-13C
Elephant on a Seljuq Bowl, Kashan, 1218
Saljuq Bowl, Kashan, C12-13
Seljuk Horsemen on a Minai Ware Jug, 12-13C
Horseman & Castle on a Kashan Minai Bowl, 12-13C
Seljuk Lampas Robe
Another Seljuk Lampas Robe
Seljuk Horsemen on a Minai Bowl, Kashan, c1200
Saljuq Turkish Elite Cavalry on a Glazed Tile
Two Seljuk Painted Bowls, 13-14C
Seljuk Horsemen on a Wall Painting
Seljuk Stucco Figures
Minai bowl showing Bahram Gur and Azade on a camel
The Seljuqs of Rum by Steven Lowe and Martin Baker
Pre-Mongol Persian Costume Or 11th and 12th Century Seljuk Dynasty Costume by Dinah Tackett
Seljuk Footed Bowl, c1200
The Medieval Steppe Warrior
12th Century Glass Medallion
Kitab al-Diryaq (the Book of Antidotes) by Pseudo-Gallen, 1198CE
Illustration from a 13th century Kitab al-Diryaq, and another.


druzhina345
sites of wargaming interest

@Rev

Seems you got some help there..and then some

[Rev.]

Thank druzhina345 and Aruthiel,really helpful

[Rev.]

New boat by ChenyJR

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[Alkimachos]

New boat by ChenyJR

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WoW! Great work!

[atheniandp]

Very well done.

[Rev.]

Armenian Heavy Cavalry

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[Rev.]

dismounted armenian cavalry

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[atheniandp]

Splendid! I'm looking forward to a complete version of this mod. Seems like there is a very talented Chinese modding community for this game.

[3R1C]

look great cant wait

[3R1C]

nice !!!!

[Mathieu Of Belgium]

I will certainly keep an eye on this one :p
great job

[druzhina345]

Christian & Moslem Spain

Spanish Soldiers in Frescos from the Church of San Baudelio de Berlanga, Soria - 12th century

Including large pictures of:
Spanish spearman with shield & A drawing of a Spanish Town Militiaman based on this fresco
Soldiers and The Three Marys at the Sepulchre
Archer Hunting with Crossbow
Horseman Hunting
Mounted Falconer

David and Goliath in the Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162
. Detail of David and Goliath.
. Detail of the pursuit of the Philistines.

Soldiers on a Moorish Casket from Cuenca, c.1049AD
. Detail of upper row of carving.
. Detail of lower row of carving.

The Pila, an Islamic Ablution Basin, early to mid 11th century, Spain
. Larger image
. Detail of Horsemen
. Detail of Men Pulling Beards
. Detail of Bearers

MIRROR SITES

Spanish Soldiers in Frescos from the Church of San Baudelio de Berlanga, Soria - 12th century Including large pictures of: Spanish spearman with shield & A drawing of a Spanish Town Militiaman based on this fresco Soldiers and The Three Marys at the Sepulchre Archer Hunting with Crossbow Horseman Hunting Mounted Falconer David and Goliath in the Biblia Segunde de San Isidoro de Leon, 1162 . Detail of David and Goliath. . Detail of the pursuit of the Philistines. Soldiers on a Moorish Casket from Cuenca, c.1049AD . Detail of upper row of carving. . Detail of lower row of carving. The Pila, an Islamic Ablution Basin, early to mid 11th century, Spain . Larger image . Detail of Horsemen . Detail of Men Pulling Beards . Detail of Bearers

druzhina345
sites of wargaming interest

[Rev.]

men at arms

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[Archagetes]

Looks great!
The helmets and the chain mails are well done.

[atheniandp]

Yeah the modelling and skin work is some of the best I've seen for this game. Simply fantastic. Would be nice to see a breakthrough in modifying the environments. I'm sick of the trees, the fog and the colours of M2TW's landscapes.

[_Tartaros_]

don´t know if it´s possible to bring roma surrectum environment to me2tw? that would be way better