Then things will remain cordial Consul. The last word came as a hiss, what little respect he had left for Poplicola was gone.
Pallas,I'm rapidly losing my patience.
Kaseo watch the event unfold before his eyes and sighed. The Tribune was still alive which was good but the Consuls came back which means a Debate will follow to explain why this all happened or what we should do with the consul that burned temples down and had his men Rape the woman. This arugement in the Curia would only make his case stronger that he becomes a Dictator.
Kaeso stood up " Now that events have cooled down. I wish to say that I still firmly Support the Tribune at this current time and i will be helping him get Elected once again to that position. My offer still stands Tribune with the money for you for standing up for the republic and preventing a Dictator for taking office regardless of the reason.
I do wonder Aloud what this Republic has become. allowing a Dictator to come to power for the sole purpose of having him campaign more against Macedonia ?. Why he could just get reelected once again and then go on the Campaign. Why he be declared Dictator when he could do the same thing if he got Reelected ?. Maybe fear took the heart of the censor when he declared it. But Regardless the People of Rome won this time. Thanks to the Tribune.
Tribune Aulus you are the hero of the Republic and I will make sure you get Re elected. In fact i will go speak to the people if you wish and Talk on your behalf ?. of course i will have to finish up work here in the curia. But regardless i will do that for you "
Kaseo then sat down once again
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The Roman Struggle, a Late Roman Republic RPG.
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Dismissed.
The lictors left
So, Poplicola, now we stand as equals, only that I am the subjugator of Macedonia and you a general who lost his one engagement with Hannibal. Speak
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Lucius was immediately annoyed by that remark, he had been shoving that lie down everyone's throats since he had entered the senate.
Yes, I admit, I lost one battle. A battle Rome had no chance of winning. I suppose you forget what occurred afterward. For I am also the victor of the Battle of Arretium, the siege of Genoa, the subjugator of Spain and the bane of Hannibal. Do not pretend that your campaign came close to those achievements, done without the massacre of innocents. Do we not still hold those territories? Not one battle have you fought that even rivals the scale of the aforementioned conflicts. You treat with me.
You will stand trial for treason against the Senate and People of Rome. The charges brought forth by the actions following the sieges of Edessa and Pella, attempting to subvert the republic with the delay of elections to make yourself king in all but name.
I slaughtered Philip V, conquered two cities and doubled the coffers of the Republic, all within the span of a single year. Let us not waste time inflating our own egos and get to the matter at hand. You charge me with crime for my actions on Edessa and Pella, but what I did the Senate could not arrive to a decision upon. Under your leadership, the Senate failed to restrain me.
Your leadership, Poplicola, not mine.
Furthermore, as I recall, the Senatus Consultum de Bello Macedonico explicitly states that
The LAW demanded that I act with a free hand, it demanded me to do what must be done. The citizenry of both cities were set fully against us when we entered. We were not liberators but conquerors, an act that the Senate has charged me with. Had I not forcibly destroyed their citizenry, those settlements would have revolted against us. Our position would be just as precarious as before. For the greater sake of Rome, I destroyed the livelihood of Macedonia. But this, this was what you, the Senate, charged me with.The Consul Pallas Rutulus Aventinus shall also be given a free hand during an extended campaign against the Macedonians.
And you say that I act against the Senate and the Laws?
I suppose you will then point to the position of fealty sworn to me and Rome. Not the men who served as captains, for they were executed with the other men who had taken up arms against us. I had the FAMILY of those men swear fealty to myself and Rome. If they knew of the impending wrath that would descend upon them, then they would not break that oath. Rome came first to my mind, but those supplicants merely associated my face with that of Rome's.
As for subverting elections, perhaps you should lay the charge upon the tribune, for he actively prohibited us to move until YOU arrived. Perhaps I should charge you with the same?
Crusades
Historical fiction - Fifty Tales from Rome
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Servius listened to the Consul and wondered if now would be a good time to bring up his motions. The motion that would replace the burn down temple and the soldiers will be punished by having to build the temple themselves. That would settle the Discipline part of the problem. and he supported the person to become Dictator because he believed in second chances and the man has given the republic 2 new city's.
Servius stood up " Consul Poplicola if i may. I wish to bring up a motion that would settle the problem of the lost temple that needs to be replaced and the punishment of the soldiers that committed the crimes of rape and looting all in one motion. But i will only bring it up when you feel it is the right time for me to do so. I know i am allowed to bring it up at any time. But i wish for it to be voted on and I know that another debate is still in full swing.
On the matter of Consul Pallas. He did nothing wrong despite the fact that he burned and allowed his men to rape woman and loot temples and peoples homes. This man was only acting on his best Judgment at that given time. And if we wished for him to stop then we should of sent him a message to stop it because the senate deemed it wrong and against roman moral. But we did not so we are the blame for not stopping the burning of the pella and Edessa. But the soldiers rapeing woman , No that is on the Consul head for allowing his men to do that for 17 days. Which something should be done about that also. perhaps we should pay the family's of the rape victims ?. It would ensure loyalty for them and also it shows them we care about them and enforce our laws upon every member of roman society.
Another note i should add. The oath that he made the family of the Captains swear to him is also wrong. But he should not go to trial for that. He did that in his best Judgment at the time. Now if we sent him reinforcements then maybe it would have been bad. But we did not and he wanted to ensure his men safety so he did what he had to do. So in that respect it was all with in range of what we allowed him to do.
Consul Pellas has a point. Like i said we allowed him to do what he did. I would not go as far as saying Rape and looting was part of it. But still the man as a point. We allowed him to do such things. It is the senates fault . And he also makes another good point. It was the tribune that prevented the elections not Consul Pellas. Although the tribune was doing it for a Noble reasons. He was still wrong "
Servius sat down once again
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The Roman Struggle, a Late Roman Republic RPG.
Blood Runs Deep.
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We gave you a free hand to take the campaign to the enemy, to destroy his armies and complete the campaign quickly. You voided that free hand when you took 17 days of raping and pillaging just to satisfy our undisciplined allies' thirst for blood. not even the Latin League rebels suffered anything resembling such a thing and their treachery knew no bounds.
As to paying the families of the rape victims, do you not see what is going on here? If we went by your logic Servius, I could kill you and pay your family but a mere quarter of my treasury after raping them and I will not have broken any law. It is also your short-sightedness that is your failing.
By making their families swear fealty to him, it matters not that there are no men of military age left. Their children will be bound to service Pallas. He is a master of deception, the common people would listen to anything he would have to say out of fear, even if those words are "You are no longer bound to service the Senate and People of Rome". Notice that he had them swear fealty to him and the senate. To him and the senate. Someone tell me which oath came first hmm?
We also have no idea if those settlements would have rebelled against us. Now we will never know. For he has done what the plebs did years ago. Gracchus soothing the people, making them worship him, then infuse a small bit of fear of the senate and the fact that they were citizens made no difference.
What did those Plebeians do, do you ask? I believe I can turn your attention to a man you all should know and his final words echoed in these very halls before his death. You told the guards to take that "thing" out of your sight because you were too daft or too stupid to see what was forming in front of your eyes.
The Last Words of Hannibal Barca
They assaulted the Curia, burned our holy places, destroyed the Curia where this very one stood! They raped the Priestesses of Vesta, burned and ransacked the Basilica, tore apart our libraries, stole our sacred wills, rebelled against Rome. Who was there to stop them? Where was Pallas during the entire debacle? I don't remember him being there? What was Scaurus going to tell us of that night of Gracchus' death before he died, his corpse still laying right there in these halls? Scaurus, who knows Pallas better than any single one of us. What did he say?
Excerpt: The Last Words of Lucius Aemilius Scaurus
What was this intention? Highly convenient that he was unable to tell us and died during the arrival of Pallas. Then he goes on to say the following...
Pallas: On Scaurus' Death
You went on to disrespect your elders, disrespect the mos maiorum and not only that, it is quite the coincidence that every other magistrate here except the tribune supports your rise to power. What a coincidence that there is barely any voice of opposition, that one of that opposition died as you entered the room. Not only that, your hypocritical nature. What was it you said of Dyrrhachium?
First Battle of Dyrrhachium - 541AVC
Yet another easily won battle against a numerically inferior force, which seemed to have become a trend? Has everyone forgotten about the Greek tyrant that campaigned with him?
Aventinus: Report on The Second Battle of Dyrrhachium
I now wish to bring before you to even Spurius' argument for Macedon.
Excerpt: Senatorial Debate - 541AVC
Where was the swarm? Where is the hornets' nest that Spurius feared? We never fought a single army that could match us in Macedon, then all of a sudden Pallas finds it a requirement to rape a city for 17 days to quell unrest? Where is this Greek pretender, this tyrant? How are we to know he did not twist Pallas' mind or that Pallas was simply in league with him? He may have been planning to gain all of Greece for himself all along!
Why did he not do to Dyrrhachium what he did to the rest of Macedon? Because it is Illyrian, not Greek. What he did in Macedon was genocide and murder, not warfare. He wishes to destroy Greece, not simply conquer it. Rather than adding to Rome's treasury he has left us with shadows of cities that will be more trouble to hold and will never pay the upkeep of the garrison there for years!
Now you are wondering how this all fits with what we now pieced together. This is how...
The Last Words of Lucius Aemilius Scaurus
Is the evidence starting to piece together in your minds? Once again Gracchus is mentioned. What of his speech to the people that night? A scribe was kind enough to hand me a copy of it that night and it's right here in my pack.
Who is Friend and Who is Foe?
That was not the end of his propaganda campaign to become a demagogue for the plebs and turn them against the office of tribune, an office that now is the only thing that stood in his way today. A separate incident was recorded by my soldiers during the martial law of the term.
Order Amidst Bloodied Streets
Then Gerges, a man I professed to be my friend also said a few important things that led to a retort by Scaurus along these lines.
Excerpt: Senatorial Debate - 541AVC
Now Gerges is in Pallas' camp, practically handing him the title of imperator. Allowing him to delay the elections to avoid a vote to make him a lawful dictator and shunning a tribune of Rome and allowing Spurius to touch his person without consequence and acting as if I did something wrong carrying out the laws of this government that he has proven himself unworthy to execute and too incompetent to carry out.
To finish off the insult, the Greek Pretender has sworn fealty to Pallas as well. Why is he alive and yet he wants to kill and destroy all of Greece if he could? There was a dangerous trend that he was setting and if it were not for our tribune standing up to him you would all be trapped in bondage to Pallas' will. His bloodline would dominate Rome for generations. What is to stop him from destroying Rome's cities in the same manner as he did Macedon's? Nothing...
Pallas smirked. A shadow flitted across his face.
Nothing indeed, Poplicola, nothing indeed. Why, I could march out of Rome at nightfall, bribe my way through to Tarentum, and there take a ferry back to my troops. The Latins no doubt have wanted to put their hands on Senators' wives and daughters for all the money taken from them, and the citizens themselves have enemies in the city that they wish to exact vengeance from. Spring will come, and the winds will be calm over the Adriaticus, then it is an eight day journey by ships from Dyrrhacium to Tarentum, a month long march from Tarentum to Rome, and one entire year of anarchy.
But I'm not.
I stand before you all, still a citizen aware of his duties.
You would wish to crucify me on these words of Scaurus, Scaurus whose life had been one disappointment afte another, achieving the consulship when he should have already been Censor, in light of his more illustrious ancestors. Can you not see that I was everything he wanted? Youthful, and more importantly, successful. You ask me of the Greek pretender who swore fealty to me, I will reply that he has been informing me of every bit of Macedonian battle doctrine, how they use their phalangites to pin their enemies and then swinging through the rear with their lancers, a tactic I have emulated to great success against the Macedonians.
He is a useful translator, and his influence over the nearby Poleis allow me to invoke the local populace for recruitment.
You ask me where I was on the night of Gracchus. You hold the answer in your own hand. I was busy calming the people while you bled here like a defeated dog. You ask me why I did not treat Dyrrhacium the same as I treated my other conquests, it was because Dyrrhacium had already been conquered before I got there.
But do you not admit? Macedon must be cowed, must be pacified. Why else would Poplicola want Macedon's survival? Unless...
Pallas glared at Poplicola, his eyes flashed with malice that said "You're next"
No, I will not even consider it. But consul, if you are so willing to push me, do remember that at one point, I may be inclined to push you back.
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Historical fiction - Fifty Tales from Rome
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Servius listened to the Consul Poplicola and clapped his hands. finally someone bought proof to the body about the dealings of the other consul. Why does it take someone like himself to bring out the evidence that the body needed to hear. Why of course he would not pay the family's of the Rape victims because that would be pointless and would do nothing. But he said to get a response and a Response he got. He Refused to listen to anything the Traitor Consul pallas has to say
Servious stood up and clapped his hands " Consul Poplicola you make my father proud and your father and all the fathers of the senators currently in this body. Your speech is prefect as if the gods wrote it themselves. The Evience that you back up your words with can not be ignored. The Consul Pallas should be put on trial. The evidence is overwhelming and not damming that the records hold them in his own words at best. This evidence should go in the record. That Consul Pallas was working with the plebs and trying to do what another pleb could not do. and on that note. What i said about giving money to those familys who are rape victims. I only said that to see how you would respond to such a motion. And indeed you responded well which is what i wanted. No harm was done because now all the proof got out into the open.
Regardless of how this seems my fellow senators. The proof is in his own words of Consul Pallas himself. What he himself is damming enough and that should be more then enough to put him on trial after the next election cycle. The tribune was right in denying this man Dictatorship. And for that i wish to say i am deeply sorry to the tribune. His actions where right and he did it to protect the republic not harm it. My brother was right in supporting him. But is blind to see that Consul Pallas is anything but a traitor to the republic and should be put on trial. Regardless of what this body allowed him to do. The evidence is damming enough. this man cares nothing for the republic but only for himself. The Tribune was not totally right by stalling the elections. But he did save us from a Dictator that would not give power back to the senate or the people.
I urge this body to reject any Motions set forth by Consul pallas. I urge this body to put this man on trial after the elections are over. I urge this body to strip the man of his wealth from his family for the crimes he committed and for being a traitor to the republic . I urge this body to put the Rutulus family into exile. for 10 years "
Servius sits down once again and waits to see what happens
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Exile?
He started to laugh.
You think I would fear exile? I would bring myself before the kings of the East, be it the Attalids, the Seleukids, the Ptolemaios, or even the Achaeans, and they would readily admit me into their court. And when I tell them of a kingdom in the west, replete with riches and fertile farmland, they will put me at the head of the invasion force.
You think twelve days of anarchy and five days of order were appalling? I would return from exile with an army hell-bent on decades of plunder
Crusades
Historical fiction - Fifty Tales from Rome
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Improbe amor quid non mortalia pectora cogis? - The Aeneid
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...and his true intentions reveal themselves.
Even if you would exile him, lawfully, he would shirk the law and return at the head of an invasion force. He would do what Gracchus' mob did to this city to all of Rome. We can now see that he holds no loyalty to this Republic, that a slight against him through the due process of the law would lead to his retaliation against the republic. His allies in Macedon, his bribes in the East, his vile treachery would be unleashed upon this city.
The events of Gracchus have indeed left a curse upon Rome...Pallas Rutulus Aventinus.
Servius laughed at Consul Pallas. laughed at the fact that he think The Egyptians would side with him. Ha The Egyptians would never Side with a traitor. and he would make sure of that no matter the cost
Servius stood up once again and laughed " The Ptolemaios would never Accept you into their kingdom. I happen to know someone at the court of the Ptolemaios. He is a family friend of my family though my mother who has been in and out of Egypt a lot of times on business trips. So no you will not get their support because they would know better then to accepts a exile. But no matter i will make sure that no kingdom accepts you into theirs . That is the reason why family's have connections. And my family has a lot of them still loyal to Rome and her allies. That will prevent you and your family for settling anywhere after your exiled
unlike you and your family. My family is loyal to Rome even though the Senate once exiled us for no reason we still remain loyal to Rome. We will never stop being loyal to Rome and her allies as long as she may live. But i can not say the same for you Consul Pallas the Traitor. So do not go and say you will be safe. Because you wont be as long as my family is around and me as the head of it. "
Servius sat down once again and drank out of his goblet
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The Roman Struggle, a Late Roman Republic RPG.
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Titus stood, shocked, the day's events passed through his mind quickly...
What has this Consulate become to? Scaurus is dead. Our Consul has been offended, Censor killed. Pallas has proven himself a traitor.
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The heirs of Alexander have always needed competent generals to win over their squabbling fortunes. Their courts hate each other as much as Rome hates Carthage. To say that your family will have influence over any of their king's wishes and desires is laughable.
So then, Conscript Fathers, how shall we proceed with my punishment? Or shall I simply return to my troops now?
Crusades
Historical fiction - Fifty Tales from Rome
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Servius laughed once more. This pallas fella is really clueless at how his family has influence over court of Egypt. By far his mother has deep connections with the royal family of Egypt for some time now. Thanks to the family business . But no matter his mother still hold influence over the court of Egypt.after all it was egypt that accepted his father when he was exiled. and their he grew the family business.
Servius could not help but laugh at Consul Pallas " Indeed you must be clueless about how anything works anymore. I assume that you did not know that my family went to egypt once we got exiled from Rome for nothing we did. After that the king of egypt invited my family into his court and their talked and grew a friendship that still holds true today. The Egyptian Royal family and my family are close. Thanks to my father who helped the Royal court of egypt. But no matter think as you must that they would accept you. I can be sure they wont... After all they would not want to have Rome Down their throats would they ?
Regardless Pallas you lost. Your intentions are heard in your words. You care nothing for the republic and what it stands for. Although you say you do... I doubt those words because you are a Traitor. And just so you know. My family is loyal to Rome despite having a close relationship with Egypts Royal family. unlike you we are loyal to Rome first and foremost
And for your information pallas. Egpyt is united and the Royal family is stable. Clearly you would know that Egypt is united under one rule once again. But i could be wrong and i am willing to admit i am wrong if that is the case. "
Servius sits down once again angry
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Lucius was about to attempt to stop his words since they were so reminiscent of what would happen to Pallas but then turned it to his advantage.
You see, while my friend here may not have proven his point, he has proven another. Even if Rome exiles someone, Egypt has a chance of taking them in. He could just as easily convince their royal court that he is trustworthy as Servius has and descend upon Rome like a murder of crows.
Then from the Seleukids, whatever. The point is, my name has been spread in the Hellenistic world, from the sons I have displaced from Pella and the message of butchery at Edessa. And if they should hear that a man who has humbled proud Macedon wishes to join their ranks, they would pounce upon the chance. And perhaps, I can even end your family's influence in Egypt at the head of one of Antiochus' armies.
I fear no exile, Conscript Fathers. But if no one will stop me, then I shall return to my troops. Have your election. I will take no part in it.
Crusades
Historical fiction - Fifty Tales from Rome
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Improbe amor quid non mortalia pectora cogis? - The Aeneid
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