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    I'm simply searching for tunes first.
    Thanks for the information about Tippecanoe Ancient Fife & Drum Corps


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    When I was making my own music mod, I looked into using popular French military marches. Unfortunately, many of the ones I did find on YouTube were either orchestral or vocal renditions, or of too low audio quality. I ended up ditching the idea and instead used instrumental marches written by France's many famous period court composers, including the one in my last post. However if you really have your heart set on "drum and fife" marches, you might have to make some compromises. For example, this is the closest rendition of the Lorraine march I found to what you're looking for:



    It's not purely drum and fife, but again, you'll probably have to compromise.

    But here are another couple examples of battlefield march pieces I used in my own mod:


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    The Marche Lorraine was a 19th century march not from the Seven Years War period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo2006 View Post
    The Marche Lorraine was a 19th century march not from the Seven Years War period.
    Yeah, I assumed he was taking some historical liberties deviating from the SYW, with the timelines of these pieces:


    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    Thanks

    I'm searching for fifers and drums rendering/interpretation for those songs :
    • Malborought s'en va en guerre (popular XVIIIth century marching song) ;
    • Joli tambour (3 jeunes tambours) (Joli tambour - youtube);
    • En passant par la Lorraine (Lorraine regiment's marching song) ;
    • Auprès de ma blonde (Champagne regiment's marching song) ;


    And for Revolutionnary wars :
    Ça ira
    La Carmagnole (Carmagnole - youtube)

    Does anyone know where I can find them or someone able to interpret those song (but only with fifers and drums) ?

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    Marche des Mousquetaires Noirs (March of the Black Musketeers). The "Black Musketeers" and the "Grey Musketeers" replaced the Cardinal's Guard of Cardinal Richelieu. Parts of this tune are in fife and drum.

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    Philidor also composed some marches during his lifetime, which is within the period of the SYW. Again though I think you'll be hard pressed to find any purely drum and fife renditions.

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    Marche du dragons du Roi (Lully). Not fife and drum. Rather it'a kettle drum:

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    Oh yes, I remember using that one in my mod too. Lully is the most prolific of the French Baroque composers .

    About the unit mod, are you planning on changing the officers at all? The scruffy vanilla faces/looks always really annoyed me. The one in your profile picture looks great though.
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    Les dragons de Noailles (Lully):
    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Bolingbroke View Post
    Oh yes, I remember using that one in my mod too. Lully is the most prolific of the French Baroque composers .

    About the unit mod, are you planning on changing the officers at all? The scruffy vanilla faces/looks always really annoyed me. The one in your profile picture looks great though.
    I assume you are referring to the bigwig officers. If you are referring to the SYW mod then wangrin is making the models for that and bigwigs were no longer in fashion for officers by this time. The bigwig officers in my Danish mod are only used for early units when they were in fashion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo2006 View Post
    I assume you are referring to the bigwig officers. If you are referring to the SYW mod then wangrin is making the models for that and bigwigs were no longer in fashion for officers by this time. The bigwig officers in my Danish mod are only used for early units when they were in fashion.
    Ah, okay. I'm happy as long as officers are changed from their vanilla, just-out-of-prison pirate face . Will generals' bodyguards also be changed?

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    Fife and drum march from Seven Years War:

    Marche du Regiment Saintonge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Bolingbroke View Post
    Ah, okay. I'm happy as long as officers are changed from their vanilla, just-out-of-prison pirate face . Will generals' bodyguards also be changed?
    It's doable but that's up to wangrin.
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    I've found some pretty face in 1st_delaware texture.
    I've try a technic to "easily" create textures based on :
    • transforming and modifing normal maps into black and white bitmap ;
    • using UVmap export (both filled and unfilled map) ;

    I hope it will work in game...

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    About music, I'm searching for fifer and drums only.

    Geronimo2006 is right about "En passant par la Lorraine", but this song was based on a older one : "En m'en revenant de Rennes" and its variant "C'était Anne de Bretagne".
    So, the music itself is not really from the XIXth century.

    Lot of French nursery hymne come from old popular songs, and lot of them were used as ot come from "military march".
    Last edited by wangrin; May 09, 2011 at 03:49 PM.


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    Handsome face! Can you make the gorget part of the model closer to the gorget shape though?
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    Awesome work Wangrin! +rep (I wish I can)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geronimo2006 View Post
    Handsome face! Can you make the gorget part of the model closer to the gorget shape though?
    Yes, it's very easy using the alpha channel.

    Heads come from 1st_delaware texture.
    Gorget and its chain come from Flikitos' textures.
    White hairs come from one of Pom's officer texture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viscount Bolingbroke View Post
    Will generals' bodyguards also be changed?
    Yes.
    They will use "Garde de la Connétablie" uniform : MARÉCHAUSSÉE ET JUSTICE MILITAIRE
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    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    I've found some pretty face in 1st_delaware texture. *snip*
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    Looks great, +rep! I'll try and find some more drum and fife videos for you.

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    Well, I find it really hard to find drum and fife stuff, especially related to the 7YW. On itunes, there are two more albums, both by the Middlesex County Volunteers Fifes & Drums ("Lafayettes Ghost" and "Military Music from the Age of Reason"). But they sound too parade-like for me and I got the dilettante feeling that most of the tunes stem from the AWI, not the Seven Years War. So I prefer the simpler and shorter tunes by be the Tippecanoe Corps.

    Here's another link to 5 NON drum and fife early 18th century marches (they don't fit to the 7YW either):

    http://marquissangfroid.blogspot.com/ (scroll down, right hand side)

    On the other hand, what are you planning to do with the tunes? During the battle, drums and fifes would usually remain silent so that officers' voices could be heard. And even the pace was not determined by the drum because due to the sonic-delay, as Dundas said in his drill book 1788:

    "On all occasions of parade, the drums and music add much to the appearance of the troops; but they are improper in manoeuvre, and counteract the regular movements of great bodies. They are constantly varying the times of march, they create noise, prevent the equal step which habit alone can give to troops, and tend to destroy the very end they are meant to promote; for the uncertain time of an instrument, can never regulate the cadenced march; and the same sound is progressively heard at different instants, in proportion to the distance of the point from which it issues; as this perceptibly takes place even in the extent of a battalion, its operation on a greater body or on a line, is evident. The tact or cadenced march, can be preserved from eye and habit alone, and troops must be accustomed to maintain it, notwithstanding drums, music, or other circumstances may be offering a different marked time. Their general use therefore is on occasions of show and parade; at the moment of the charge, they may however be allowed, as inspiriting and directing the attack, and also in the column of march; but in most movements of manoeuvre, during every transition from line to column, or from column to line, in all formations, and in the march of the line in front, they must be sparingly used, and never as directing the cadence of the step, or in the instruction of the recruit, officer, or battalion."

    As an example, the British, marching off in columns still, concentrated 62 drummers and fifers to a "band" at the battle of brandywine and played the "British Grenadiers" which could be heard by the US troops from afar. So music was definitely a good thing to inspire/scare troops immediatly prior to combat, but it was counter-productive during the action.
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    Fife and drum version here of "Aupres de ma Blonde".
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    Wow there's an extremely good looking gentleman officer for you. No more hobo/unshaven officers in his majesties army.

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