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    SEVEN YEARS' WAR : FRENCH MOD
    1756 - 1763
    NEC PLURIBUS IMPAR

    INTRODUCTION
    The Seven Years' War :
    The Seven Years' War was a global military conflict between 1756 and 1763, involving most of the great powers of the time affecting North and Central America, Europe, the West African coast, India and the Philippines. In the historiography of some countries, the war is alternatively named after respective theaters: French and Indian War (USA , 1754–1763), Pomeranian War (Sweden, 1757–1762), Third Carnatic War (India, 1757–1763) and Third Silesian War (Prussia and Austria, 1756–1763).

    Wikipedia

    The Mod :
    Nec Pluribus Impar focuse on French armies from the 1756-1763 era.
    We intend to add specific French units to the game, replacing Vanilla or adding new ones, according to historical sources.
    This will represent approximatively 50 units.
    To avoid building queue saturation, we wil have to use AOR (Area Of Recruitment).

    3D MODELS
    3D Models are mostly vanilla that are, more or less, modified.
    Modders can use those models without asking for permission, simply credit theirs authors (3d model and textures).

    French hussar base is the beautiful DaNova Bercheny hussar with slight modifications.


    TEAM & CREDITS
    MEMBERS :
    • Geronimo2006
    • Flikitos
    • ACMilan88+
    • Wangrin


    MODELS :
    • Wangrin
    • DaNova :
      • Hussars (Hussards de Bercheny model, courtesy from Danova)
    • Joedreck :
      • ponytail from prussian units
      • cartridge pouch from prussian units


    TEXTURES :
    • Geronimo2006
    • Flikitos
    • ACMilan88+
    • wangrin


    WITH THANKS TO :
    • Primergy (Larger Regimental Flags - Mod, courtesy from Primergy))
    • Lordsith (NPI for DMUC pack files, courtesy from Lorsith)
    • Carricanta (French unit pictures)
    • 162RI (French flags and historical research (Canada))
    • Kaunitz (historical researchs)
    • RexImperator (French unit pictures)


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    PACK FILES

    DOWNLOAD LINKS


    DOWNLOAD LINKS (EDIT 2012-02-04): NPIv0.3.0 VANILLA PACK FILE

    PACK 0.3.0



    DOWNLOAD LINKS (EDIT 2012-02-13) : DMUC PACK FILE - courtesy from Lordsith

    PACK 0.3.0 FOR DM


    To play DMUC version you have to :
    1. Download vanilla Nec Pluribus Impar v0.3.0 and Nec Pluribus Impar for DMUC beta v0.3.0 ;
    2. Extract both files to Empire's data ;
    3. Add 2 lines in Empire's user script, but DMUC version must be on first place of the list.



    CHANGELOG


    NPI v0.1 :
    • add Vieux infantry (superior line infantry) ;
    • add Petits Vieux infantry (superior line infantry) ;
    • add Petits Vieux "du Roi" infantry regiment (superior line infantry) ;
    • add Grenadiers de France (grenadiers) ;
    • add French line infantry (line infantry) ;
    • add Compagnies Franches de la Marine (marine infantry) ;
    • add Grenadiers Royaux (elite provincial infantry) ;
    • add Milices de France (provincial infantry) ;


    NPI v0.1.5 :

    • Contain all units from previous pack.
    • add Swiss line infantry (superior infantry) ;
    • add German line infantry (expat line infantry) ;
    • add Irish line infantry (expat line infantry) ;
    • add Primergy's "Large Regimental Flags"mod ;
    • add new flags for Kingdom of France (faction, regimental and naval flags);


    NPI v0.2.0 :
    • Contain all units from previous pack.
    • add Scottish line infantry (expat line infantry) ;
    • add Italian line infantry (expat line infantry) ;
    • add new drum equipment for NPI units ;
    • correct German infantry drummer texture (drummer wore swiss infantry texture instead its ows )


    NPI v0.3.0 :
    • Contain all units from previous pack.
    • add Royal-Artillerie 4 pounder cannon (campaign artillery);
    • add Royal-Artillerie 8 pounder cannon (campaign artillery);
    • add Royal-Artillerie 12 pounder cannon (campaign artillery);
    • add Royal-Artillerie 16 pounder cannon (siege artillery);
    • add Royal-Artillerie 8 inch mortar (siege artillery);
    • add Royal-Artillerie 10 inch mortar (siege artillery);
    • add Bombardiers de la Marine 12 inch cannon (siege artillery);
    • restrict projectiles to carcass, shell and round shot to mortars ;
    • restrict projectiles to round shot and cannister to cannons ;
    • correct bug with Grenadiers de France (disappearing officer and flagbearer) ;


    Thanks a lot to Flikitos for his excellent textures and his help


    KNOWN BUGS
    Grenadiers de France :

    • Bug : game could crash when loading a battle
    • Solution : run Steam as administrator.

    Unit names :
    • Bug : unit names don't appear in game ;
    • Solution :


    SCREENSHOTS

    PACK 0.1 : FRENCH INFANTRY REGIMENTS

    VIEUX REGIMENTS :
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    PETITS VIEUX REGIMENTS :
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    DU ROI REGIMENTS (PETITS VIEUX REGIMENT) :
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    GRENADIERS DE FRANCE
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    FRENCH LINE INFANTRY
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    COMPAGNIES FRANCHES DE LA MARINE (MARINE INFANTRY)
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    GRENADIERS ROYAUX (ELITE PROVINCIAL INFANTRY)
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    MILICES DE FRANCE (PROVINCIAL INFANTRY)
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    PACK 0.1.5 : FRANCE'S FOREIGN INFANTRY REGIMENTS


    PACK 0.1.5 :
    • contain all units from pack 0.1 ;
    • add Swiss, German and Irish infantry ;
    • add Primergy's "Large Regimental Flag" ;


    SWISS INFANTRY (DIESBACH REGIMENT) :
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    GERMAN INFANTRY (LA MARCK REGIMENT) :
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    IRISH INFANTRY (BULKELEY REGIMENT) :
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    BULKELEY REGIMENT AT WORK :
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    PACK 0.2.0 : FRANCE'S FOREIGN INFANTRY REGIMENTS PART2

    SCOTTISH INFANTRY (ROYAL ECOSSAIS) :
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    ITALIAN INFANTRY (ROYAL ITALIEN) :
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    PACK 0.3.0 : FRANCE'S ARTILLERY

    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Canon de 4 livres / 4 pounder cannon
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Canon de 8 livres / 8 pounder cannon
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Canon de 12 livres / 12 pounder cannon
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Canon de 16 livres / 16 pounder cannon
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Canon de 24 livres / 24 pounder cannon
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Mortier de 8 pouces / 8 inches mortar
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    ROYAL-ARTILLERIE : Mortier de 10 pouces / 10 inches mortar
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    BOMBARDIERS DE LA MARINE : Mortier de 12 pouces / 12 inches mortar
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    ABOUT THE MOD
    UNIT LIST



    FOOT UNITS


    GUARD

    Gardes Françaises (texture : Geronimo2006)
    Gardes Suisses (texture Geronimo2006)
    ELITE LINE INFANTRY

    Vieux corps (texture : Wangrin)
    Petits Vieux corps (texture : ACMilan88)
    Petit Vieux corps (texture : ACMilan88 - Du Roi regiment)
    Grenadiers de France (texture : Geronimo2006)
    LINE INFANTRY

    French line infantry (texture : Flikitos)
    Swiss line infantry(texture : ACMilan88 - Diesbach regiment)
    German line infantry (texture : Geronimo2006 - Bulkeley regiment)
    Irish line infantry (texture : Geronimo2006 - Bulkeley regiment)
    Scottish line infantry (texture : ACMilan88 - Royal-Ecossais)
    Italian line infantry (texture : ACMilan88 - Royal-Italien regiment)
    LIGHT INFANTRY

    Volontaires Royaux
    Chasseurs de Fisher (texture : Wangrin)
    Volontaires de Clermont Prince (WIP 3D model : 0%)
    PROVINCIAL INFANTRY

    Grenadiers Royaux (elite provincial infantry) (Texture : Flikitos)
    Milice de France (Texture : Flikitos)
    COLONIAL INFANTRY

    Compagnies Franches de la Marine (colonial and naval infantry) (texture : Flikitos)
    Infanterie de la Compagnie des Indes (texture : Geronimo2006)
    Fusilier de l'armée de Bussy (WIP : texture (Geronimo2006)
    Grenadier de l'armée de Bussy (WIP : texture (Geronimo2006)
    Etrangers de l'armée de Bussy (WIP : texture (Geronimo2006)
    Topas (WIP : texture (Geronimo2006)
    Volontaires de Kerjean
    Cipaye (texture : Flikitos)
    ARTILLERY

    Royal Artillerie (texture : Flikitos)
    Bombardier de la Marine (mortar and naval mortar artillery) (texture : Geronimo2006 (1st texture), Wangrin (final texture))
    COLONIAL ARTILLERY

    Artillerie de l'armée de Bussy (texture : Geronimo2006)


    MOUNTED UNITS


    GUARD
    Gardes du Corps (WIP texture : 0%)
    Gendarmes de la garde ordinaire du Roi (WIP texture : 0%)
    Chevau-légers de la garde ordinaire du Roi (WIP texture : 0%)
    Mousquetaires (WIP texture : 0%)
    Grenadiers à cheval (WIP texture : 0%)
    ELITE CAVALRY
    Gendarmes de France (WIP texture : 0%)
    Royal-Carabinier (WIP texture : 0%)
    LINE CAVALRY (HEAVY CAVALRY)
    Cuirassiers du Roi (WIP texture : 0%)[/COLOR]
    Line Cavalry (WIP : texture 0%)
    German Line Cavalry (Royal-Allemand) (WIP texture : 0%)
    DRAGOONS
    Dragoons (tewture : Flikitos)
    HUSSARS
    Hussars (WIP texture (Flikitos))
    LIGHT TROOPS
    Legion Royale - hussars (WIP texture : 0%)
    Chasseurs de Fisher - mounted chasseurs (WIP texture : 0%)
    Volontaires de Clermont Prince - dragoons (WIP 3D model : 0%)
    PROVINCIAL CAVALRY
    Maréchaussée de France (WIP texture : 0%)
    COLONIAL CAVALRY
    Corps de cavalerie (canada) (WIP 3D model : 0%)
    Dragons de l'armée de Bussy (WIP 3D model : 0%)
    Gardes du corps de Bussy (WIP 3D model : 0%)
    Cipayes (lancers)



    LEGEND
    3D model done
    3D model WIP XX% (WIP = Work In Progress, 33% = lod1 done, 66% = lod1 + lod3 done, 100% = lod1, lod3 + lod4 done)
    3D model 0%


    WORK IN PROGRESS - Update 2011-08-26

    FOOT UNITS :




    MOUNTED UNITS :





    ICONS - EDITED 2011-06-14





    RESOURCES


    3D MODELS

    3D MODELS : SYW - French Army roster
    WIP : Workshop

    To use models froms this mod, simply credits theirs authors


    COLOR CHART


    Kronoskaf color chart


    HISTORICAL MATERIALS

    BIBLIOGRAPHY BILBIOGRAPHY :
    • Histoire de l'ancienne infanterie française Vol.1 à 8, par Louis SUSANE, ed. - 1849
    • Histoire de la cavalerie française Vol.1 à 3, par Louis SUSANE, ed. - 1874
    • L'Uniforme et les Armes des Soldats de la Guerre en Dentelle Vol. 1 et 2, par Liliane et Fred FUNCKEN, ed. Casterman - 1971 et 1976
    • French hussars Vol.1 - From the "Ancien Régime" to the Empire, par André JOUINEAU et Jean-Marie MONGIN, ed. Hstoire et Collections - ?
    • Marine Royale XVIIe - XVIIIe siècles - Uniformes, Equipement, Armement, par Jean BOUDRIOT et Michel PETARD, 2003
    • Louis XV's Army (1) - Cavalry and Dragoons, by René CHARTRAND et Eugène LELIEPVRE, Osprey Men at Arms 296
    • Louis XV's Army (2) - French Infantry, by René CHARTRAND et Eugène LELIEPVRE, Osprey Men at Arms 302
    • Louis XV's Army (3) - Foreign Infantry, by René CHARTRAND et Eugène LELIEPVRE, Osprey Men at Arms 304
    • Louis XV's Army (4) - Light Troops And Specialists, by René CHARTRAND et Eugène LELIEPVRE, Osprey Men at Arms 308
    • Louis XV's Army (5) - Colonial and Naval Troops, by René CHARTRAND et Eugène LELIEPVRE, Osprey Men at Arms 313
    • French Military Influence In India, by Lt Gen Gurbir Mansingh, United Service Institution of India - 2006



    INTERNET LINKS INTERNET LINKS :







    THREAD'S UPDATES
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    • 2011-03-16 : Modèles et texture update
    • 2011-03-18 : Modèles et texture update
    • 2011-03-19 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file added (WIP : units stats and description)
    • 2011-03-21 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated
    • 2011-03-23 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated
    • 2011-03-24 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated
    • 2011-03-30 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated
    • 2011-03-31 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated (adding stats - need to be discussed)
    • 2011-04-03 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated (adding artillery stats to be discussed)
    • 2011-04-19 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated
    • 2011-04-24 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated (irish, scott, italian line infantry, bussy's army units stats added)
    • 2011-05-30 : Nec Pluribus Impar - French Units file updated, Nec Pluribus Impar - Avancement file added (show what units are done and what unit are in prgress)
    • 2011-08-06 : Download links to NPI_v1 pack file added

    Attached Files Attached Files
    Last edited by wangrin; January 02, 2013 at 04:12 AM. Reason: NPIv0.3.0 release

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    MAISON DU ROI

    WORK IN PROGRESS - EDITED 2011-05-02


    GARDES FRANÇAISES


    Fusilliers (Geronimo2006)

    Officer (Geronimo2006) :

    In game :
    [IMG][/IMG]
    Drummer (Flikitos):


    GARDES SUISSES - EDITED 2011-03-16


    Officer (Geronimo2006) :

    Fusiliers (Geronimo2006) :




    DOCUMENTS - EDITED 2011-04-24

    Mouillard's plates




    .... plates


    Marbot plates



    Plates :



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    Last edited by wangrin; May 02, 2011 at 12:56 PM.

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    FOOT UNITS

    WORK IN PROGRESS - EDITED 2012-01-14



    FRENCH LINE INFANTRY

    Flikitos - Line infantry fusilier :

    Flikitos - Drummer (royal livery) :



    GRENADIERS DE FRANCE

    Geronimo2006 - Grenadiers de France

    Geronimo2006 : Grenadiers de France officer

    Geronimo2006 - Grenadiers de France ingame :



    SWISS LINE INFANTRY : DIESBACH REGIMENT

    ACMilan88 - fusilier

    ACMilan88 - in game



    GERMAN LINE INFANTRY : LA MARCK REGIMENT

    Geronimo2006 - fusiliers and drummer

    Geronimo2006 - ingame



    IRISH LINE INFANTRY : BULKELEY REGIMENT

    Geronimo2006 : officer :

    Geronimo2006 : in game



    BOMBARDIERS DE LA MARINE - EDITED 2012-01-14

    Geronimo2006 - Bombardier :

    Geronimo2006 - in game


    In game :
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    ROYAL ARTILLERY - EDITED 2012-01-14

    Flikitos :





    BASIC TEXTURES




    DOCUMENTS - EDITED 2011-04-10


    FOOT UNITS


    COMPILATION : French and foreign line infantry, light troops


    LINE INFANTRY - Mouillard's plates

    Mouillard's plates :
    • Vieux regiments (Picardie, Champagne, Navarre, Piémont and Normandie)
    • Petits Vieux regiments (Béarns, Bourbonnais, Auvergne, Flandres, Guyenne and Du Roi)
    • Line infantry regiments
    • Grenadiers de France (40th infantry regiment)
    • Royal-Artillerie (47th regiment, artillery, not infantry)
    • Provincial infantry (Milices de France)
    • Elite provincial infantry (Grenadiers Royaux)


    FRENCH FOREIGN LINE INFANTRY - Mouillard's plates

    Mouillard' plates :
    • Swiss regiments ;
    • German regiments ;
    • Irish regiments ;
    • Scottish regiments ;
    • Italian regiments ;



    LIGHT TROOPS


    CHASSEURS DE FISHER


    FUSILIERS DE MONTAGNE



    VOLONTAIRES DU DAUPHINE




    EQUIPEMENTS, OFFICERS, MUSICIANS

    Officers :

    Drummers :

    Cartridge pouch :

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    Last edited by wangrin; January 14, 2012 at 10:40 AM.

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    MOUNTED UNITS

    WORK IN PROGRESS


    CUIRASSIERS DU ROI (7th cavalry regiment)

    Geronimo2006 - Cuirassier



    DOCUMENTS - EDITED 2011-11-19


    GENDARMERIE DE FRANCE



    FRENCH LINE CAVALRY


    1750 UNIFORM REGULATION (ORDONNANCE)



    MOUILLARD'S PLATES





    ROUSSELOT'S PLATES







    HEAVY CAVALRY BREASTPLATES

    A very interesting paper about breastplates.
    By Gallia, from Campaign in Germania blog.
    FRENCH SEVEN YEARS’ WAR HEAVY CAVALRY BREASTPLATES

    There has been thinking that French heavy cavalry did not wear breastplates at times or at all during the SYW. In my case, this goes back through decades of dimly recalled memories reminding me of three things. First, officers refused to wear them out of a sense of misplaced bravery/honor. Second, the piece was thrown away because it was too heavy or uncomfortable. Third, many uniform illustrations don’t show them. Are these misconceptions or realities?

    TEXTS
    Lieutenant General Sir Reginald Savory, His Britannic Majesty’s Army In Germany During The Seven Years War

    At the battle of Hastenbeck, “The gallant Chevert led his [infantry] men forward, wearing his ‘cordon-rouge’ and without his cuirasse. When pressed to don his cuirasse, he replied, pointing to his men, ‘Have these brave fellows got any?’ Page 32.

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    Lee Kennett, The French Armies In The Seven Years’ War. Duke University Press, 1971.

    “…the Count of Gisors, received a mortal would leading a charge at Krefeldt; had he been wearing the cuirasse, it would probably have saved his life.” Page 70.

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    Sautai and Desbrère’s on pp. 13-15 of Cavalerie.

    “Cavalry officers were to wear the complete breastplate [front and back], though as has been seen, the custom was more honored in the breach than in the observation.” Page 117. Kennett is perhaps referring to the death of the Count of Gisors here. The regulation comes from the Ordonnance du Roi concernant l’armement des officers et des sergeans des companies de fusiliers du 31 octobre 1758.

    “The practice may have been dictated as much by comfort as vanity. The physician Colombier said the cuirasse or breastplate was too heavy and troubled the respiration and constricted the shoulders and neck.” Page 117. From Code I, page 131.

    ”Regulations stipulated that cavalrymen …were to wear as defensive armor a half-breastplate or plastron, and an iron skull cap inside their hats.”
    Page 117.

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    Liliane and Fred Funcken, The Lace Wars Part 2. Ward Lock Limited, 1977.

    “The breastplate alone was in theory worn by all cavalry regiments, but there was little enthusiasm for it, and it was often left off, contrary to regulations.” Page 22.

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    René Chartrand, Louis XV’s Army (I) Cavalry & Dragoons. Osprey Publishing, 1996.

    “All troopers were also equipped with a steel breast-plate painted black, but this bulky item was unpopular and not often worn, even in wartime.” Page 13.

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    Lucien Mouillard, THE FRENCH ARMY OF LOUIS XV. G.F. Nafziger translated the 1882 work in 2004.

    “The armament and equipment of the cavalry trooper was excellent in the time of Louis XIV, but did not change after that, and consisted of: The iron breastplate, fastened at the back with leather straps, that crossed on the back. Only the Cuirassier Regiment wore a double breastplate [front and back]. The officers carried … a double cuirass.” Pages 71-72.

    Writing about the Gendarmes, “The plastron of the cuirass was of bronzed iron, lined with linen padding, trimmed with crimson silk, fixed at the shoulders with red leather suspenders with buckles and hooks of bronzed iron,” Page 101.

    Mouillard’s original artwork depicting French heavy cavalry from 1737-1762 all wear the breastplate with the exception of the Cuirassiers du Roi wearing the front and back cuirass. The breastplate is not depicted on the Gendarmes or Guard cavalry perhaps to show details of the outer coat.

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    Lucien Rousselot Reference Sources cited in Part 10 of R. D. Pengel’s and G. R. Hurt’s FRENCH CAVALRY & DRAGOONS 1740-1762. 1981.

    “When wearing [the buff vest for practice exercises but not in action] the officers wore cuirasses and the other ranks black plastrons. The plastron was often worn by officers and other ranks under the coat in action. The cuirass was bordered in red lace with yellow metal fittings. Unlike the Prussian style it had a back protection also.” This citation appears to the left of the plate RG1 about half way through this booklet. Several sketches appear of the breastplate.

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    Christopher Duffy, PRUSSIA’S GLORY. The Emperor’s Press, 2003.

    In the aftermath of the Prussian victory at Rossbach Duffy remarks, “It took several days to clear the wreckage from the battlefield and the neighborhood…’The roads were littered with French cuirasses, great riding boots which had been thrown away…. and with lost hats. The sunken road by Markwerben was full of hacked-about Frenchmen.” Page 85.

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    Christian Rogge on the SYW yahoo egroup on October 17, 2007 wrote:

    Having done a bit of closer research on 7YW French vs. Allies campaigns, I would forward (my personal) conclusion based on the below:

    A) We/I know of accounts of French cav. wearing breastplates at [1757] Rossbach and 1758
    Lutterberg. The first because of the recorded abandoned cuirasses during the rout (see
    Duffy), the latter because existing records of Hanoverian infantry at Lutterberg deliberately aiming at the horses on the French cav. charges for the French were in armour. The charges of the 6 esc. Dauphin brigade identified here – not that of the Cuirassiers [du Roi] !!! (see French language, but Hanoverian origin relation publ. in Westphalen). To my knowledge, no such records exist for Minden or Krefeld, to name the two other most famous engagements. That doesn't say NO armour was worn on these occasions.

    B) The wearing of cuirasses was 7YW regulation - especially in battle!

    C) It wasn't popular - so, (I say) - avoided with the marches - i.e. usual everyday service.
    Armour [was] conventionally kept with the regimental baggage - somewhere behind during
    the march periods.

    D) Idea of no armour for French cav. is based mainly on uniform illustrations of French cavalry without cuirasse/plastron. Most are based on 18th c. contemporary material most often illustrating uniforms without cuirasses, because you would not see much of the uniform distinctions with the cuirasse.

    Conclusion: French did wear armour in deliberately planned or expected engagements, but
    might have not done so at unexpected combats, such as Korbach or Warburg, or of the more operational then pitched encounters like Gruenberg or Nauheim, which really happened to make up for most of the engagements during this war in this part of the world.

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    Ingo Beringer on the Lace Wars yahoo egroup on July 26, 2006 wrote:

    At the battle of Crefeld Hessian light troops on foot were interspersed in the first line of the attacking Allied wing. When the heavy cavalry of the French were attacking, the Hessians were ordered to aim at the horses instead of the riders as the cuirassiers wore breastplates, which would have made them invulnerable. The Hessians did as they were told, with cruel effect. Source: the report of a sergeant named George Bess who took part in the fight

    More information from Ingo in an email: (George Beß). „Aus dem Tagebuch eines Veteranen des Siebenjährigen Krieges. Mitgetheilt durch den Obersten z.D. Wilhelm Beß." Zeitschrift des Vereins für hessische Geschichte und Landeskunde, N.F., Band 2, S. 193–241. - (My) translation: From the Diary of a Veteran of the Seven Years' War. Communicated by Colonel (in active service) Wilhelm Bess. Journal of the Society for Hessian History and Geography, new series, vol. 2, pp 193 to 241. (The name of George Bess is not given in the title of the paper). - It is a most interesting paper excerpting from the original papers of George Bess who was a subject of the Landgraf of Hessen-Kassel. He lived from 1734 to 1810. He was a hunter by occupation. Shortly after the start of his career he was (more or less forcefully) recruited for a Jäger company. I suppose you know that Jäger is the word for the civil trade of a hunter as well as the military troop type. George had such a positive record in his activities that he was promoted to Corporal in the first year of his service, then Sergeant in the following year, and Sergeant Major in the year after. He took part in three battles and was wounded five times. After the war he was granted a senior employment in the Landgraf's forestry service, in recognition of his merits. Colonel Wilhelm Bess was the author's grandson. (As a quite irrelevant note: GEORGE was at that time pronounced Schorsch (or English: shorsh), not Georg (English: gay-org) as today).

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    Ingo Beringer on the SYW yahoo egroup on October 18, 2007 wrote:

    As for Minden I clearly remember having read about French breastplates in the context of battlefield findings in one of the commemorative books of the 1959 anniversary though I forgot the exact place.


    CONCLUDING COMMENTS AND PROBLEMS:
    1. Regulations ordered heavy cavalry troopers to wear frontal armor breastplates called plastrons.

    2. The same regulations ordered officers to wear front and back armor.

    3. Wearing armor was unpopular for some due to weight, breathing issues and encumbrance.

    4. Some officers flouted the regulation due to vanity.

    5. Every heavy regiment was issued with armor.

    6. Armor was thrown away in the rout following the defeat at Rossbach. To get away easier?

    7. Is the Rossbach anecdote the genesis of the idée-fixe that the French threw away their armor?

    8. A lot of artwork does not show armor so uniforms are not obscured.

    9. Thus miniatures designers have not crafted SYW French heavy cavalry in plastrons. Nor do we find officers with front and back armor except for the Cuirassier du Roi Regiment. This total absence is unjustifiable. My familiarity is with 25mm-30mms only.

    10. Those unaccustomed to research, lacking resources, trusting rules writers as their sole source of information and also trusting manufacturers may think there was no armor worn.

    11. There is a philosophy afoot these days that if a wargame miniature does not have something on the casting, it cannot have it in a wargame. In view of Items #s 8 and 9, this is wrong.

    12. There is a difference between disliking armor and wearing it anyway, especially in battle.

    13. What percentage of troopers and officers did not wear their armor?

    14. What percentage wore armor?

    15. Per Table 3 of Kennett, The Army of the Lower Rhine on 17 June 1758 shows:

    83 squadrons of heavy horse presumably wearing breastplates. (70.9% of all cavalry)

    10 squadrons of hussars without armor. (8.5% of all cavalry)

    24 squadrons of dragoons without armor. (20.5% of all cavalry)

    117 squadrons total

    16. Are the percentages of Item #15 viable? Yes and no. Hussars and dragoons were normally not present on main battlefields. They were usually on the flanks but more usually miles away guarding lines of communications, scouting, screening, protecting supplies, blocking, foraging, marauding and so forth. Thus in a large main battle, the percentage of breastplated horse would be much higher than 70.9%. However, at smaller affairs the story would be very different. The heavies might be a small minority if not absent altogether.


    SYNTHESIS
    {a} The French Cuirassiers du Roi Regiment wore front and back armor on top of their coats.

    {b} Other French heavy regiments were supposed to wear breastplates (plastrons) under outer coats but on top of waistcoats. They did this unless in a surprise engagement.

    {c} Officers at the regimental level and above were supposed to wear front and back armor. Some did not.



    SOURCE : CAMPAIGN IN GERMANIA Blog

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    MOUILLARD'S PLATES



    FUNCKEN'S PLATES - L'uniforme et les armes des soldats de la guerre en dentelles - Tome 2



    1750 DRAGOONS' UNIFORMS AND EQUIPMENTS PLATES



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    LIGHT TROOPS - EDITED 2011-11-19


    CHASSEURS DE FISCHER

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    BUSSY'S ARMY

    WORK IN PROGRESS


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    Nellore regiment (Flikitos) :


    FOOT UNITS

    Bussy's army artillery : (Geronimo2006) :


    Infantry (Geronimo2006) : grenadiers companies, foreign infantry companies and Topas companies



    DOCUMENTS - EDITED 2010-04-24

    French fusiliers companies, fusiliers companies, grenadiers companies :

    Kerjean's volunteers, foreign fusiliers companies, topas company :

    Artillery companies, dragoon company, Bussy's guards

    Last edited by wangrin; April 25, 2011 at 02:30 PM.

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    Good luck to all of you, I look forward to making your units part of my game

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    Good luck for you, mates; excellent roster of moders for this project.

    Sorry but.......what,s "SYW"?

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    SYW : Seven Years' War / Guerre de 7 ans

    Thanks Pom
    All 3D models I've modified from vanilla units will be free to use.
    Only mention author.

    I think it's a reward to see units you worked on use by another modders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Kidd View Post
    Good luck for you, mates; excellent roster of moders for this project.

    Sorry but.......what,s "SYW"?
    I think its Seven Year War???? And i wish good luck white the projekt. If its one thing i have been missing in ETW, its franch units whith seven year war uniforms.

    Best regrds

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    Here we go for a fresh dose of sweating!

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    Awesome news! i hope the best, your team is EXCELLENT

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    Thanks for your kind words Carricanta

    And thanks to ACMilan88, Flikitos and Geronimo2006 to give life to units

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    Here the (quite) Final version of the Line Infantry:
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    PS: Wangrin, it only remains to make the pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flikitos View Post
    PS: Wangrin, it only remains to make the pockets.
    It's exactly what I was thinking about

    Cartridge pouch can be black or leather color with Kingdom od France's coat of arms.
    Something like pictures below but simply embossed in leather, not as a metal plate.
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    Giberne de Chevau-légers - Maison du Roi - 1814
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    Giberne - officier de cavalerie - 1816
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    Great work
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    The line-infantryman looks awesome! C'est le pied!
    I especially like the white of the gaiters. I think that this is the one I've been talking about in the other thread .
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    This is just the kind of line.inf i have been looking for for some time now. Good job. Good job all of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wangrin View Post
    It's exactly what I was thinking about

    Cartridge pouch can be black or leather color with Kingdom od France's coat of arms.
    Something like pictures below but simply embossed in leather, not as a metal plate.
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    Giberne de Chevau-légers - Maison du Roi - 1814
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    Giberne - officier de cavalerie - 1816
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    Great work
    Easy to do. But are we sure this was the case in the SYW? 1814 was 52 years later.
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    Here are some picture where we can see cartridge pouch.
    At least, we should have :
    - infantry cartridge pouch with French coat of arms embossed ;
    - grenadiers cartridge pouch with grenade and crown (embossed or metal plate ?) ;
    - compagnies franches de la marine cartridge pouch with no emblem (I will add picture to the model pack) ;
    - bombardier de la marine cartridge pouch with a grenade (look at FR_MAR_BOMB Documents).

    Cartridge pouch should be leather, some of them are "dark red" but none are black.
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    Excellent thank you wangrin. I'll have something on the Grenadiers de France next.
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    This is great !
    I think all pictures I have about Grenadiers de France are in the FR_GRE DOCUMENTS directory.
    I'll check the directory this evening and add pictures if necessary.

    I will use Grenadiers de France description I wrote for Danova.

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