Spain?! *Realism Alert*

**Leon Trotsky** · January 30, 2006, 12:30 PM

Why is SPAIN a faction? Spain didn't come into existance until 1469! That's only 69 years before the game ends. So spain shouldn't exist until LATE in game. Therefore, the inclusion doesn't make sense.

They should put in Aragon and Castille and possibly Leon. Or something.

Anyone else with me on this one?

(ok, done whining now

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**John I Tzimisces** · January 30, 2006, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Leon Trotsky

Why is SPAIN a faction? Spain didn't come into existance until 1469! That's only 69 years before the game ends. So spain shouldn't exist until LATE in game. Therefore, the inclusion doesn't make sense.

They should put in Aragon and Castille and possibly Leon. Or something.

Anyone else with me on this one?

(ok, done whining now

)

It seems that "spain" is going to represent castile. Maybe leon too, but that isn't historically accurate to have them start at the same time together...

**Reidy** · January 30, 2006, 12:40 PM

I doubt that they wanted to waste 3/4 faction slots (out of only 20) when they could easily be merged into one faction. The same has been done with Russia i think. Also, it would be way to easy as the Moors to pick off each of the factions one by one. "Spain" needs to be one faction in order for the AI to have any hope of holding the peninsula.

**theking994** · January 30, 2006, 12:41 PM

Didn't Spain exist in vanilla RTW too?

**Mathias** · January 30, 2006, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by theking994

Didn't Spain exist in vanilla RTW too?

No that was iberia and that was about 1300 years before the start of M2TW

**Leon Trotsky** · January 30, 2006, 12:47 PM

lol, but they called it 'Spain' in R:TW.

I guess they also need Spain as partial justification for the addition of the Aztecs. In that case wouldn't it also be logical to add Portugal (which they probably won't)? The pope did declare that any new lands found belonged to either Spain or Portugal.

M'eh, anything that isn't added will be put in a mod. So I shouldn't complain.

**Chuffy** · January 30, 2006, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by Leon Trotsky

lol, but they called it 'Spain' in R:TW.

I guess they also need Spain as partial justification for the addition of the Aztecs. In that case wouldn't it also be logical to add Portugal (which they probably won't)? The pope did declare that any new lands found belonged to either Spain or Portugal.

M'eh, anything that isn't added will be put in a mod. So I shouldn't complain.

They are including Portugal.

Read the IGN interview.

**Leon Trotsky** · January 30, 2006, 01:04 PM

lol, then I stand corrected. gj CA!

**Aurelius Maximus** · January 30, 2006, 01:11 PM

I agree with you the kingoms of Castille, Leon, Galicia, La Mancha, Aragon, and even Catalunya where very different from each other, not to mention the Basques in the north that had nothing to do with the spanish. Aragon and Catlunya united to form the Kingdom of Aragon and they conquered the Balerian Islands of the coast of eastern Spain and Valencia from the moors. But King Jim II had a really good point. That for the game it is better after all to have all of these factions together as one and even though they fought amongst each other at the end they united to form Spain.

**iKossu** · January 30, 2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mathias

No that was iberia and that was about 1300 years before the start of M2TW

Incorrect. It clearly says Spain/Spanish.

**LegionnaireX** · January 30, 2006, 02:34 PM

Spain was in the original MTW too.

**~~Scar Face~~** · January 30, 2006, 04:41 PM

Ya but it only (incorrectly) represented 2 nations. That is atleast bareable! As the other factions (aragon so forth) were in...but they aren't in this! Infact at the start of the game there was no portugal! And the future creators of portugal were not important for a very long time! So unless it starts at different times like MTW did one can argue Portugal too is Ahistoric. They are boosting the number of factions yes? Hopefully (Spam things to CA?) they dicide to represent Iberia correctly...

**DavidtheDuke** · January 30, 2006, 04:49 PM

I think they should make the faction limit 200, the unit limit 5000, and we can mod all that stuff in later

**GambleFish** · January 30, 2006, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by DavidtheDuke

I think they should make the faction limit 200, the unit limit 5000, and we can mod all that stuff in later

I second that motion! lol that would solve all our problems!

**Aristocrat** · January 30, 2006, 05:04 PM

And for the record the game wont have different eras, just one long campaign, what makes it so difficult to add eras to any game but the original MTW? It was one of the things that gave the game almost infinite replay value (along with the AI performing better in the campaign....which I say was due to the chessboard approach).
I third DavidtheDuke's eminently reasonable (if not doable) request. :-p

**Cadmium77** · January 30, 2006, 07:35 PM

It all should be dynastic, shouldn't it? I mean it's not Spain, it's the Hapsburgs...

**Obershutze** · January 30, 2006, 07:56 PM

Spain just represents all those other factions (Leon, Castille, Aragon etc...)

**2ltben** · January 30, 2006, 10:12 PM

Not having Portugal would be impossible, given the time period. They were the explorers during the Age of Discovery, and it'd completely throw off the last half of the game.