Lord Hamilton's Unit Workshop

[Andytheplatypus]

Awesome dude, looking forward to it. +rep for the anticipation.

[Lord Hamilton]

As promised - here's a quick status update...

FIRST a few pics of the final feudal knights - I redid the helmets and I think these guys look a lot better!

[Lord Hamilton]

Next up...Upgraded Feudal Knights

I was going for a 1250 feel with this version - any thoughts?

P.S. these guys will be included in the wonderful War of the West Mod! Check it out if you have a chance!

[Lord Hamilton]

And finally...the UG2 model of the Feudal Knights. I figure these guys are appropriate for around 1300 or so...

These will also be a part of the WotW mod

[Gogolometro]

Too much color last upgrade and less difference. Maybe a batch from vanilla and this will help. In my opinion early look really wonderfull. Maybe the clothes can be more simple and some partial plate/full plate (shiny armor yes ) can be present in texture. Helmets can be older bucket style or new like a chilvaric/gothic armor. This are just suggestions from a guy who really love your work.

[Point Blank]

They look really great, though I agree with Gogolometro that some kind of partial plate would be suitable for ug2 - typical upgrade path for DFK can be heavy mail->coat of plates (or as you have looks like heavy mail + padded surcoat)->partial plate.

[Matthæus]

very nice .

Gogolometro
you just cant have Gothic helmet in year 1300. sorry. there is no thing as "chilvaric" armor either (except in vanilla mtw2).

i think Frenchy mad them excellently, for period around 1300 AD, and there is no need for change. serous changes in equipment appeared 40-50 years later.

[SamZi]

Looks ok otherwise but ug2 needs plate. Also I'd go for a different type of helmet with the upgrades.

[Polycarpe]

Splendid! Wonderful! Awesome! +rep has always for the work mate
There's no need for change, I share the same opinion of Matthaeus, excellent reflection of knights of 1300

[SicilianVespers]

I agree with Mathaeus & St. Polycarpe, these models are spot on Frenchy! Great job

The only plate I would suggest for late 13th century are poleyns for the knees, and I see you already have them.

When we get into the 14th century, coat of plates, etc... will be appropriate.

[Andytheplatypus]

First off I would like to say, excellent job man, really looks amazing. +rep

But, in my opinion I think a few subtle changes are needed.

1. I think that they might be more comfortable if they had boots/shoes on.
2. First 2 look amazing, they are perfect besides lack of boots.
3. 1300 unit still looks amazing, but I agree in that they probably need some sort of plate on them, not all chain.
4. Something about the helmets on the last units look funny. The quality looks good, but the color makes them look cartoonish. Maybe a color that is a little more reflective?

But thats just my opinion, regardless of what you do with them, they look amazing. Excellent job.

[Lord Hamilton]

Thanks for all the feedback everyone.

Just a few things...Looks like a lot of you are looking for partial plate armor on the latest unit. I've included plated schynbalds (leg protection) for all of them, as well as poleyns (knee guards), however I feel that should be the extent of plate on a knight c. 1300. I'd post pics from Osprey (my guide for these units) if I could, but perhaps a quote will suffice: "...it was not until 1325-30 that plate armor became common" (English Medieval Knight 1300-1400). Therefore, I don't think this 1300 knight should have partial plate armor - it would be appropriate on the next knight I do.

Thoughts?

[VINC.XXIII]

I second all the nice coms, love the ailettes.
there would be many things to say about the access to the italian armours in France and western Europa.
1300-1350 is a problematic period, because the introduction of the plate was slow, depending of the relations with merchants, also according from the money available for the lords/sergeants/miliciamen.
We can think that some stuff(the helmets) were easily fixable by the local artisans, but clearly, the early plate was certainly very complex. And it was needed time for the french to learn the new technics.
Osprey and the others aren't God, I have the remember of a pic showing Jean II with the roman lys and the italian legs from 1380...
One solution: Phillipe Contamine and Jacques Broquin(their major books were translated in english)

[Andytheplatypus]

Quoted out of Fighting Techniques Of The Medieval Word A.D. 500 - A.D. 1500:

.."Chronicler, Guillaume le Breton (d. 1225) gives an account of a fight between Richard the Lionheart of England (at the time only count of Poitou) and William de Barres. Guillaume describes each combatant as wearing 'moulded iron plates' as extra protective garments under the chain-mail hauberk. The plate armour worn by Richard and William de Barres was most certainly not a primary but a secondary defensive armament."
"A manifesto written from German Emperor Frederick II to King Henry III of England in 1241 also mentions leather armour strengthened by iron plates sewn onto it."
"Artistic sources add evidence of metallic plates attached to other parts of the thirteenth-century armour-clad soldier"

[VINC.XXIII]

yes you're right, but its more tied to the great quality's broigne than to the plate, strictly.
precedently, I didn't mentionned that the plate don't existed, just it was pretty rare, very expensive, because imported from Italia.

the best/nec plus ultra stuff in France, from Florence, or Venice:
it means few only knights and lords

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[Lord Hamilton]

OK guys. Took into account the feedback regarding adding more plate, and here's the results.

I added plated armguards to some of the knights to give them some variety. Whaddya think?

[Point Blank]

Excellent! +rep

[Matthæus]

how about keeping booth versions ?
make them booth downloadable, so each player can choose which one he wants to use.
that way - everybody is happy

personally i was more satisfied with first version. it was much more realistic.

[VINC.XXIII]

"how about keeping booth versions ?"
a version fistfull of historic warfare, and another for the hoolywoodian films...
more seriously, its perfect for the years mentionned by you before: 1330's period.

[Lord Hamilton]

how about keeping booth versions ?
make them booth downloadable, so each player can choose which one he wants to use.
that way - everybody is happy

personally i was more satisfied with first version. it was much more realistic.

Good idea! That's what I'll do.