DLV FOUR SEASONS MOD

[Live2sculpt]

For those of you who've been asking for this, here it comes.

THE DEUS LO VULT, FOUR SEASONS MOD



Are you frustrated with your family members coming of age, marching off on some single campaign, and returning as old men?
Do you think it acceptable and appropriate that a crusader fleet should take almost four years just to get to the Holy Land as fast as possible and without delay?
Would you like to know that your siege against an enemy stronghold lasted all spring and summer and into the fall in the year of the lord 1221, or are you happy with it taking up to three years?
No?

If the 2 turn per year timescale seems just too absurd or abstract to you, and interrupts you personal pleasure in emersive gameplay, then this might be the mod for you.

In this mod, your game turns in Deus lo Vult are measured out by the seasons of the year. The turn marker is displayed as the correct year, and at the start of each turn a reminder will pop up, announcing the season, listing the special conditions and modifiers that could be in effect, as well as any reminders of what conditions and modifiers might be in effect in the following turn.

This mod is primarily aimed at extending the play of individual characters and giving more room for narrative storytelling and an improved context for battles. This mod is made specifically for DLV because of it's enhanced role-playing features.

Screen Captures

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Naturally I tried to emulate Tokus' style in the event cards. I hope he does not take offense.

This is how the seasons appear through the turns between the years. Again, four per year.


I'm particularly fond of Spring for it's lush greens.


Each of these cards features a relevant period poem or prose excerpt, and a rough list of affects.


I also end each card with a reminder of what affects may come in the next turn.

UPDATE: 4SPY BETA Release!

This is the main part of the 4SPY mod, which, when copied over your DLV+BB2.9.04 mod, changes it from 2 turns a year, to 4 seasons per year.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=3265

It does NOT have the other economic and development script changes in it. Hence the BETA.
Provided here is a seperate link to those tedious script changes for players who wish to use them, with an understanding that they still need fine tuning.
Anyone interested in doing such fine tuning AND sharing their results on this thread, is welcome to do so. If their results are impressive, their adjustments can be added to the final 4SPY release with due credit.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/downl...o=file&id=3266


Here are the other script elements not quite finished. Most of them are custom trait additions as well as disaster changes.
Some are working perfectly, while others are not firing as intended. Note that over a dozen region names and numbers used here, correspond to the DLV Americas Removed Map and not Repman's original DLV Map.
Again, interested modders are now invited to participate in fine tuning this mod for due credit.
I have no intention of keeping this thing to myself.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;Random Season Event Monitors;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType season_spring
and EventCounter > 0
and RandomPercent > 21
historic_event season_sandstorms

terminate_monitor
end_monitor

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType season_summer
and EventCounter > 0
and RandomPercent > 21
historic_event season_desert

terminate_monitor
end_monitor

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType season_winter
and EventCounter > 0
and RandomPercent > 10
historic_event season_miserable

terminate_monitor
end_monitor

monitor_event EventCounter EventCounterType early_winter
and EventCounter > 0
and RandomPercent > 31
historic_event season_miserable

terminate_monitor
end_monitor

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;HISTORIC_EVENTS.TXT;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;


{SEASON_MISERABLE_TITLE}A Very Bad Winter
{SEASON_MISERABLE_BODY}\nThis cold weather is simply awful in every way. Alternating frosts and freezing rains have dampenned and ruinned many food stores as well as peoples fortitude. Armies campaigning in such weather have need of an inspiring Leader to endure these dark, dismal, cold months abroad.
\n\nArmies can prove difficult to command with this season turning so dismal. Sodden roads become intractable pits of mud under the feet of military columns. And an armies ability to forage or plunder to sustain their camp may become hindered as well.

{SEASON_SANDSTORMS_TITLE}Sandstorms
{SEASON_SANDSTORMS_BODY}\n\nThis Spring has brought monsterous and devillish sandstorms behind its pleasant breezes. They quickly rise from beyond the horizion and soon fill all vision. Armies and Agents travelling in the desert regions may become scattered, lost, and delayed if cought in such storms paths.

{SEASON_DESSERT_TITLE}The Sun's Anvil
{SEASON_DESSERT_BODY}\n\nRegions throughout Araby and the Sahara are experiencing above average temperatures that stifle activity. Armies crossing desert regions are particularly succeptable. Western armies are more likely to feel the effects of this weather than native desert peoples might. Armies affected experience a reduced morale and slowed movement.


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;------------------------------------------
Trait CampaignSeason
Characters all
Hidden

Level Summer
Description Summer_desc
EffectsDescription Summer_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Level Winter
Description Winter_desc
EffectsDescription Winter_effects_desc
Threshold 2

Effect MovementPoints -20

;------------------------------------------
Trigger WinterToSummer
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition not AgentType = admiral
and Trait CampaignSeason = 2
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 1

Affects CampaignSeason -1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger SummerToWinter
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition not AgentType = admiral
and Trait CampaignSeason = 1
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger GameStart
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition I_TurnNumber == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 2 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger ComesOfAgeSummer
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition FatherTrait CampaignSeason == 1
and not AgentType = admiral

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger ComesOfAgeWinter
WhenToTest CharacterComesOfAge

Condition FatherTrait CampaignSeason == 2
and not AgentType = admiral

Affects CampaignSeason 2 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger CatchAllWinter
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 2 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger CatchAllSummer
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 1

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger MoveToSummer
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 2
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and not IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason -1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger MoveToWinter
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 1
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger SummerAdoption
WhenToTest OfferedForAdoption

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 1

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger LesserSummerAdoption
WhenToTest LesserGeneralOfferedForAdoption

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 1

Affects CampaignSeason 1 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger WinterAdoption
WhenToTest OfferedForAdoption

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 2 Chance 100

;------------------------------------------
Trigger LesserWinterAdoption
WhenToTest OfferedForAdoption

Condition Trait CampaignSeason == 0
and not AgentType = admiral
and I_EventCounter summer_winter == 2
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects CampaignSeason 2 Chance 100



;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;EXPORT_VNVS.TXT;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

{Summer} Summer
{Summer_desc} Summer weather is good for movment
{Summer_effects_desc} Normal Movement
{Winter} Winter
{Winter_desc} Winter weather affects movement
{Winter_effects_desc} Movment Slowed
{Season_miserable} Plagued by Terrible Conditions
{Season_Miserable_desc} The soldiers are falling ill to the unexpectedly miserable weather.
{Season_Miserable_effects_desc} Greatly lowered Command, Morale, and Loyalty. Movment reduced.
{Season_Desert} The Sun's Anvil
{Season_Desert_desc} The summer air is smothering. Weapons and armor burn to the touch. Soldiers show wisdom in clinging to the shade.
{Season_Desert_effects_desc} Greatly lowered Morale and Loyalty. Movement reduced.
{Season_Sandstorms} Thwarted by Sandstorms
{Season_Sandstorms_desc} Seasonal winds have buffeted this force with blinding Sandstorms.
{Season_Sandstorms_effects_desc} Line of Sight reduced. Morale lowered. Movment slowed to a crawl.

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Summer
Summer_desc
Summer_effects_desc
Winter
Winter_desc
Winter_effects_desc
Season_Miserable
Season_Miserable_desc
Season_Miserable_effects_desc
Season_Desert
Season_Desert_desc
Season_Desert_effects_desc
Season_Sandstorms
Season_Sandstorms_desc
Season_Sandstorms_effects_desc

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;SEASONS TRAITS;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

;---------------
Trait Miserable
Characters family

Level Miserable
Description Miserable_desc
EffectsDescription Miserable_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Command -6
Effect TroopMorale -6
Effect Loyalty -6
Effect Unrest 6
Effect MovementPoints -10

;---------------
Trait Desert
Characters family

Level Desert
Description Desert_desc
EffectsDescription Desert_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect Command -4
Effect TroopMorale -6
Effect Loyalty -8
Effect Unrest 8
Effect MovementPoints -20

;---------------
Trait Sandstorms
Characters family

Level Sandstorms
Description Sandstorms_desc
EffectsDescription Sandstorms_effects_desc
Threshold 1

Effect LineOfSight -20
Effect TroopMorale -4
Effect Loyalty -4
Effect Unrest 4
Effect MovementPoints -50

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Trigger Miserable1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and not FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 21
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_miserable
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects Miserable 1 Chance 100

;-------------

Trigger Sandstorms1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and not FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 51
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_sandstorms
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 160, 164, 169, 173, 174, 177, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 198, 199

Affects Sandstorms 1 Chance 100

;-------------

Trigger Desert1
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and not FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 51
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_desert
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 160, 164, 169, 173, 174, 177, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 198, 199

Affects Desert 1 Chance 100
;-------------

Trigger Miserable2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 51
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_miserable
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects Miserable 1 Chance 100

;-------------
Trigger Sandstorms2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 21
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_sandstorms
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 160, 164, 169, 173, 174, 177, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 198, 199

Affects Sandstorms 1 Chance 100

;-------------
Trigger Desert2
WhenToTest CharacterTurnStart

Condition IsGeneral
and FactionReligion islam
and RandomPercent < 21
and not EndedInSettlement
and EventCounterType season_desert
and not FactionType slave
and IsRegionOneOf 160, 164, 169, 173, 174, 177, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 198, 199

Affects Desert 1 Chance 100
;--------------

Trigger cleanup_miserable
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Miserable = 1

Affects Miserable -1 Chance 100

Trigger cleanup_sandstorms
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Sandstorms = 1

Affects Sandstorms -1 Chance 100

Trigger cleanup_desert
WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Desert = 1

Affects Desert -1 Chance 100
;-------------

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event earthquake
frequency 9
winter false
summer false
warning false
position 44, 329
position 139, 128
position 159, 141
position 170, 116
position 273, 124
position 280, 129
position 275, 149
position 276, 160
position 260, 163
position 257, 178
position 251, 185
position 236, 184
position 224, 189
position 255, 199
position 285, 176
position 301, 167
position 316, 146
position 326, 124
position 333, 160
position 358, 159
position 344, 206
position 368, 147
position 380, 140
position 394, 171
position 441, 179
position 447, 173
position 447, 158
position 436, 143
position 412, 112
position 441, 112
position 368, 114
position 343, 101
position 331, 118
position 466, 162
position 209, 183
position 237, 203
position 391, 128
position 306, 155
position 259, 120
position 324, 149
position 352, 102
min_scale 2
max_scale 8
;positions based upon seismic survey charts -L2S

;Volcanos in Italy and Iceland
event volcano
frequency 19
winter false
summer false
warning false
position 270, 121
position 268, 151
position 50, 325
position 56, 332
min_scale 5
max_scale 10

;Blizzards, Winter Only
event flood
frequency 2
winter true
summer false
warning false
region Inverness_Province
region Aberdeen_Province
region Oslo_Province
region Uppsala_Province
region Helsinki_Province
region Novgorod_Province
region Moscow_Province
region Belo-Ozero_Province
region Arhus_Province
region Edinburgh_Province
region Smolensk_Province
region Dublin_Province
region Wexford_Province
region Cork_Province
region Connaught_Province
region Donegal_Province
region York_Province
region Caribbean_Province
region Ryazan_Province
region Caernarvon_Province
region Thorn_Province
region Nottingham_Province
region Stettin_Province
region Hamburg_Province
region Lubeck_Province
region Tlaxcala_Province
region Azov_Province
region Tmutarakan_Province
region Atil_Province
region Samandar_Province
region Antwerp_Province
region Groeningen_Province
region Magdeburg_Province
region Halych_Province
region Peremyshl_Province
region Cracow_Province
region Plock_Province
region London_Province
region Southampton_Province
region Breslau_Province
region Kiev_Province
region Tzernigov_Province
region Kozelsk_Province
region Turov_Province
region Minsk_Province
region Bruges_Province
region Frankfurt_Province
region Metz_Province
region Cholula_Province
region Caen_Province
region Prague_Province
region Rheims_Province
region Rennes_Province
region Nuremburg_Province
region Paris_Province
region Hohenstauffen_Province
region Iasi_Province
region Tenochtitlan_Province
region Buda_Province
region Pest_Province
region Angers_Province
region Bran_Province
region Caffa_Province
region Cherson_Province
region Vienna_Province
region Dijon_Province
region Bern_Province
region Bordeaux_Province
region Magas_Province
region Bucharest_Province
region Toulouse_Province
region Zagreb_Province
region Belgrade_Province
region Sofia_Province
region Preslav_Province
region Marseille_Province
region Lund_Province
region Bremen_Province
region Estland_Province
region Prussia_Province
region Lettigallia_Province
region Samogitia_Province
region Curonians_Province
region Riga_Province
region Greenland_Province
region Powhatan_Province
region Micmac_Province
region Vestlandet_Province
region Gotland_Province
min_scale 5
max_scale 10

;Sea Storms, Winter Only
event storm
frequency 2
winter true
summer false
warning false
position 39, 322
position 91, 295
position 154, 319
position 151, 267
position 150, 248
position 183, 250
position 201, 265
position 203, 293
position 211, 322
position 229, 299
position 273, 288
position 295, 293
position 297, 320
position 330, 329
position 143, 219
position 152, 199
position 112, 208
position 82, 149
position 102, 127
position 43, 49
position 83, 103
position 39, 322
position 41, 94
position 28, 215
position 203, 133
position 219, 170
position 238, 126
position 244, 153
position 267, 134
position 298, 126
position 297, 90
position 332, 105
position 352, 109
position 345, 143
position 374, 173
position 384, 198
position 442, 198
position 398, 116
position 426, 109
position 423, 87
position 387, 76
min_scale 5
max_scale 10

;Sandstorms
event dustbowl
frequency 2
winter false
summer true
warning false
position 85, 37
position 105, 48
position 128, 39
position 148, 64
position 146, 40
position 164, 20
position 161, 58
position 177, 46
position 176, 16
position 201, 54
position 206, 28
position 220, 7
position 234, 43
position 255, 9
position 293, 23
position 333, 38
position 241, 44
position 362, 43
position 382, 30
position 408, 34
position 387, 5
position 407, 4
position 430, 7
position 423, 27
position 398, 63
position 430, 67
position 446, 72
position 465, 37
position 468, 7
position 495, 5
position 479, 47
position 476, 77
position 490, 91
position 451, 98
position 486, 105
position 506, 103
position 461, 97
position 477, 59
position 428, 67
position 226, 23
position 173, 42
position 83, 38

min_scale 8
max_scale 10

;Plagues triggered by events
event plague
frequency 19
winter false
summer false
min_scale 2
max_scale 5

;Hordes triggered by events
event horde
frequency 19
winter false
summer false
warning false
min_scale 2
max_scale 5

;Locusts triggered by events
event locusts
frequency 19
winter false
summer false
warning false
min_scale 2
max_scale 5

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;WINTER ILLNESS TRIGGERS Add to existing Illness triggers;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

Trigger Character_Fallen_to_Illness_Trigger72

WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Fallen_to_Illness = 0
and Trait HaleAndHearty < 1
and not EndedInSettlement
and AgentType = family
and not FactionType slave
and RandomPercent < 11
and EventCounterType season_winter
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects Fallen_to_Illness 2 Chance 1

;This Trigger is for HaleAndHearty family members out in the winter weather.

Trigger Character_Fallen_to_Illness_Trigger82

WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Fallen_to_Illness = 0
and Trait Hypochondriac > 0
and not EndedInSettlement
and AgentType = family
and not FactionType slave
and RandomPercent < 31
and EventCounterType season_winter
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects Fallen_to_Illness 2 Chance 1

;This Trigger is for Hypochondriac family members out in the winter weather.

Trigger Character_Fallen_to_Illness_Trigger92

WhenToTest CharacterTurnEnd

Condition Trait Fallen_to_Illness = 0
and not EndedInSettlement
and AgentType = family
and not FactionType slave
and RandomPercent < 21
and EventCounterType season_winter
and IsRegionOneOf 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83 ,84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 108, 119

Affects Fallen_to_Illness 2 Chance 1

;This Trigger is for normal family members out in the winter weather.

L2S

[Fracchione]

awesome,thx!!

love deep immersion!

just make it compatible with the latest bb

[Live2sculpt]

awesome,thx!!

love deep immersion!

just make it compatible with the latest bb

I'd like that too but think I would need Taiji's direct input to make that happen.

[Tokus*Maximus]

I like slower games - currently each kings seems to drop dead in no time!

Good to see you've based it all based upon DLV6.2 with BB2.8.

How tricky will it be to make it ultra compatible with latest BB2.8.13?

[Taiji]

Some interesting and pretty cool ideas, Live2sculpt.

One big question: Are you trying to slow the game down or not?

If so then it's going to be really helpful to describe the problem. Can you tell me in detail what problem you have with the current game speed?

This way I can think about whether I agree or not, and whether our goals align. But also to think about whether you'll get what you want from what you intend to do. Basically your goal looks like the solution to a problem you have which you haven't mentioned. And to be completely honest it so far looks either like a hell of a lot of work or most likely a disaster.

Personally I'd like to fight in snow less and have generals live longer.... Yup, that's all the benefits of a 4tpy system I can think of.

But perhaps you have a problem in mind, or another benefit, that helps your proposed solution make sense to you. In other words please let me know why you are doing what you are doing. I'd like to help you if I can.

[Live2sculpt]

Some interesting and pretty cool ideas, Live2sculpt.

One big question: Are you trying to slow the game down or not?

If so then it's going to be really helpful to describe the problem. Can you tell me in detail what problem you have with the current game speed?

This way I can think about whether I agree or not, and whether our goals align. But also to think about whether you'll get what you want from what you intend to do. Basically your goal looks like the solution to a problem you have which you haven't mentioned. And to be completely honest it so far looks either like a hell of a lot of work or most likely a disaster.

Personally I'd like to fight in snow less and have generals live longer.... Yup, that's all the benefits of a 4tpy system I can think of.

But perhaps you have a problem in mind, or another benefit, that helps your proposed solution make sense to you. In other words please let me know why you are doing what you are doing. I'd like to help you if I can.

Cheers Taiji.
The goal is to slow the timescale down to allow family members to live longer and move farther within a given year. It is also about aesthetics and improved role-playing, making the seasons more interactive and meaningful to gameplay. (The overarching theory being that DLV is at heart a RP mod, and anything that can help add back-story elements to gameplay in DLV is truest to its core goals)

For the most part this is already functioning. We have 4TPY with balanced upkeeps and build times throughout all files and campaign scripts. We have random secondary season events such as an Early Winter during Autumn.

There are only three or four issues remaining.

1. Triggers and traits I've shared here with you need some completion in a few spots. There are traits Miserable, Dessert, and Sandstorms, that were begun from a sample set of threshold levels, yet they are separate topics, and I'm floundering on their rebuild. I still must also ensure conditions or countermeasures that turn these traits off in their following turn for a 'single-season' affect. This part you might be most helpful with and I'll remind you that all traits and triggers relating to this can be found above for your review.

2. I posted the screen-caps showing you the last remaining issues with modifying the pip values in the descr_settlement_mechanics.xml file. They are getting their fine tuning this week. The latest values are included above if anyone wants to comment on them.

3.And the disasters file (I also included above) was apparently never finished by EA and is partially broken. Discerning the functioning of Storms, Floods, and Dustbowl is still ongoing. Example: At the time of this post I have conflicting reports from Border Reaver and Gigantus whether or not the Flood disaster still carries a bug in Kingdoms that permanently disables forts, towers, and roads in affected regions.

Oh and 4. People are already asking for this to be applicable to your latest BB, and I'm not prepared for that.

[Taiji]

I still don't get it, for example:

Why are you thinking about changing settlement mechanics?

How does changing that get you any closer to this?:

"The goal is to slow the timescale down to allow family members to live longer and move farther within a given year. It is also about aesthetics and improved role-playing, making the seasons more interactive and meaningful to gameplay."


Another angle: What benefit is waiting longer for stuff other than deaths and winter?

Name some things that the game would be improved by slowing. I really have nothing to go on here. For one thing I'd imagine the AI would be worse, not better at all, for being able to move less far, if you were thinking less movement would improve things.

Sorry for being so critical but I have serious reservations about it being a good idea so far. It's not for me at all that I am making this effort when I should be modding, I'm trying to help you think about it - Not sell or slam the idea.

[Live2sculpt]

Taiji- "I still don't get it, for example:
Why are you thinking about changing settlement mechanics?"

Because you CAN'T double the timescale without halving population growth and everything else that accumulates regarding settlements?

"How does changing that get you any closer to this?:
'The goal is to slow the timescale down to allow family members to live longer and move farther within a given year. It is also about aesthetics and improved role-playing, making the seasons more interactive and meaningful to gameplay.'"

Because you CAN'T double the timescale without halving population growth and everything else that accumulates regarding settlements? If you do one and not the other, cities develop too rapidly and all population and monetary balances are thrown off. It breaks the game.

"Another angle: What benefit is waiting longer for stuff other than deaths and winter?"

As I already stated, it is about the role playing element of the DLV mod. It permits family members to accomplish more within their lifetime, and it adds a more colorful metric to the games progression.

"Name some things that the game would be improved by slowing. I really have nothing to go on here. For one thing I'd imagine the AI would be worse, not better at all, for being able to move less far, if you were thinking less movement would improve things."

Improved storytelling?
Better back-story to battles?
I'm fresh out of interesting ways to say the same thing.
And where are you getting "moving less far" from? It effectively doubles movements annually speaking.
I surely hope that you read my post in its entirety...

"Sorry for being so critical but I have serious reservations about it being a good idea so far. It's not for me at all that I am making this effort when I should be modding, I'm trying to help you think about it - Not sell or slam the idea."

Criticism saves time.
Well if there is no general interest in a mod that is specifically designed to make the DLV experience more immersive and interactive in this way, then there is no reason for me to make it public. I can just keep it for myself as I originally planned.
But believe me this is not conjured up in haste. I can sincerely tell you that I have 'thought about' this mod for five years specifically, and in general for about seventeen years.
The idea of regarding a characters actions based upon the seasons of a year, and for a player to account for the possible effects of the seasons within their strategies, is for me a very genuine and fun way to reflect on the life of the middle ages, and, for me, makes the game far more interesting and worth while.

Anyway, maybe I should kill this mod publicly and keep it to myself? It's pretty much done and I can't wait to start playing it.

[Taiji]

OK, forget I asked.

[Live2sculpt]

OK, forget I asked.

You misunderstand me.
I NEVER make questions rhetorically.
Such as these questions: Why is EA introducing 4 seasons in Shogun 2? What purpose do they serve?

[Taiji]

Actually I stopped at the first capitalised word. OK that was a joke, yes the seeming rhetoric didn't help.

Thing is I'm very busy right now, too busy to read stuff that isn't specific or straightforward, and then be able to contribute.

I'll come back later and think about your answers (questions) when I have some time.

[Live2sculpt]

Actually I stopped at the first capitalised word. OK that was a joke, yes the seeming rhetoric didn't help.

Thing is I'm very busy right now, too busy to read stuff that isn't specific or straightforward, and then be able to contribute.

I'll come back later and think about your answers (questions) when I have some time.

Yes, yes.. You stated you should be modding right now.
Go!
Make that tasty mod candy we love. Let nothing deter you.

[Taiji]

The candy I am making is going to make a lot of people sick

I just want to point out that there are some things I really really like about your idea. For example the idea of generals living twice as long is so sexy that it's distracting me. I'll be back

[TaronQuinn]

As promised, here is my take: I like it. You've done an excellent job of presenting your idea/work, live, and I for one deeply appreciate it. I look forward to playing some version of this minimod, even if I have to modify my own install to play it. I agree ith many of your points, such as the ability to march further per year, and the fact that this will give me twice as many turns to develop my generals, to make them into governors with excellent building and education backgrounds, or to create fanatic generals set on slaughtering all prisoners and sacking every little town he captures. Simply put, 4 turns allows the player to DO more within a character's lifespan.

One suggestion: Considering: (1630 end date - 1180 start date)*4 turns per year = 1800 turns. Personally, I've never been past 350-400 turns before I've either won, or gotten bored with it. I would suggest changing the end-date to the 1400s or so; would also trim down a couple of the events that happen after that date. Obviously not necessary, and perhaps could be a separate work entirely, removing some late-game Renaissance units as well.

TQ

[Live2sculpt]

Now if you can edit the foliage on the battlemap to look like autumn, then it will be perfect.

That would be my first wish too. But the apparent impossibility of getting the game to swap strat textures between turns is one of the reasons we don't see 4 season mods much at all.

You had a comment about devastation and forts. Are you sure you want to get rid of that? It's a major motivator to attack an invading army since they're costing you through devastation. It also is a great tactic to invade yourself by probing the enemy's borders.

In the descr_campaign_db.xml, there's this:

Devastation lines

<allow_resource_forts bool = "true"/><!--do we allow forts and watchtowers to be built on resource locations --> <fort_devastation_distance uint = "20"/><!--maximum movement point extents for determining devastation tile targets for forts --> <army_devastation_distance uint = "20"/><!--maximum movement point extents for determining devastation tile targets for field armies --> <fort_devastation_modifier float = "1.0"/><!--num devastated tiles modifier for forts --> <army_devastation_modifier float = "1.0"/><!--num devastated tiles modifier for field armies -->

You could change it to

Fort Devastation is less...they're farming.

fort_devastation_modifier float = "0.3"/><!--num devastated tiles modifier for forts to greatly diminish the effects.

In effect the enemy soldiers aren't wildly pillaging or running raids, they're staying put, so devastating less.

YES! That's exactly what I want to do. Thanks!

One more thing about four seasons. The weather_db.xml, only two seasons are specified. How are you getting around that? Are you in effect having three summers and a winter?

Yes. If you look at the script closely, you will see the switches are alternating just the two seasons, but also couging up a 4 turn schedule of special 'events' that are the FOUR seasons.

I WISH it were possible to make the game use a different texture for the trees in Autumn, but such is apparently not the case.

[Live2sculpt]

Movement and pathfinder are a major consideration. I know because I'm looking at making a proper map to scale of the Americas and the current map to Baghdad. I want to make a map that is to scale since the amount of time is off if traveling to the Americas (too short), but the distance on the other side of the map is just right or a little off. You fiddle with the movement rates too much (since you have decreased the distance due to four seasons), and the pathfinding might be very problematic with winter passes. I can foresee some issues there.

I've noticed lots of other winter movement penalties before and never saw them causing issues with those mods. If you're sure, could you explain a little more how the weather movement modifiers we have here might cause havoc in a way others have not. Maybe I'm overlooking something?

[Taiji]

OK, been thinking about it a little. Main thing that occurs to me is this: If income is lower then everything related to finance has to change, that's a lot to do btw. Changing unit upkeep and finance related stuff in the campaign script, etc. etc. So if you don't have to do that then lucky you basically.

Changing construction times... they're gameplay balanced as it is, realism would probably be closer to half their current speed of construction - lucky, haha. Plus I'm not sure the gameplay of 24+ turn build times is that exciting... Up to you.

Movement speeds, I guess realism depends where you look on the map - it being so distorted. But I think the speeds are kinda averaged out and the AI really really likes to be able to move far. Again they're balanced for gameplay but also with the engine in mind, and again not adjusting them saves you a ton of not so fun work with DLV's move speed affecting traits.

But then again it would certainly be nice to add traits that handle movement for spring and autumn. Perhaps the trait could be displayed and that way negate the need for popups.

The idea Taron mentioned, of removing a ton of later units, cool idea. I've been thinking similarly recently.

[Live2sculpt]

I assuming you are halving the distance for all character the same. So for example, let's say a general can go 80 with two seasons, so 40 in one season. Now I don't know about you, but I move my armies from settlement to settlement if I can, and if not, from fort to settlement to fort to settlement to protect them.

Okay an army with no named character moves its maximum for forty, creates a fort. Next turn moves forty and into settlement. No issues. Start multiplying that out and it might create havoc for the AI. The AI sometimes seems not to care about merging armies, in fact it often sends out single units all over the place. Well if the units are only going forty movement points there twice as many chances for it to enter a zone of control, even though it hasn't moved that far.

If it's routing around mountains, and only moving forty, and winter is coming, then I personally think it could get stuck. It's easy to check. Free run the mod for 400 turns with the "general" character (not named) set to half of whatever it was. Check and see if it gets hung up. If you increase it to something more than 40 (typically 80), then the map may end up not being properly to scale for movement. It's not winter modifiers, its a low number of movement points, zone of control, getting from protected region to protected region, winter movement modifiers, etc.

Hmmm. Very interesting. It's not something I've thought hard on because I'm largely working off of pre-existing settings between DLV base movement left as-is, and Taiji's AI behavior. Don't forget btw that DLV is a permanent stone forts mod.

But basicaly what you are saying is that Taiji's AI might not handle these season move modifiers as well as others?
Perhaps that's what he was referring to earlier?

Y'know, I've NEVER even heard of 'free-running' a mod before.

[Fracchione]

good ,the morgue attendant has finally found a soulmate!AHAHAHAHAHHAHA

really,this coop is going to make amazing babies

[Live2sculpt]

OK, been thinking about it a little. Main thing that occurs to me is this: If income is lower then everything related to finance has to change, that's a lot to do btw. Changing unit upkeep and finance related stuff in the campaign script, etc. etc. So if you don't have to do that then lucky you basically.
Changing construction times... they're gameplay balanced as it is, realism would probably be closer to half their current speed of construction - lucky, haha. Plus I'm not sure the gameplay of 24+ turn build times is that exciting... Up to you.

Haha. That ugly job is already done, done, and done my friend. Took several hours.

Personally i got accustomed to those long build times in my earlier testing. 6TPY was too exasperating, but 4TPY wasn't so bad.

But I certainly know what you mean. I hope to hear from more on how peeps feel about that.

Movement speeds, I guess realism depends where you look on the map - it being so distorted. But I think the speeds are kinda averaged out and the AI really really likes to be able to move far. Again they're balanced for gameplay but also with the engine in mind, and again not adjusting them saves you a ton of not so fun work with DLV's move speed affecting traits.

But then again it would certainly be nice to add traits that handle movement for spring and autumn. Perhaps the trait could be displayed and that way negate the need for popups.

I left the base move speed unmodified, and just focussed on the weather modifiers.

The whole thing about the popups, honestly, is that if you take the core season popups away, there really isn't anything else around letting you know what season it is. Triggering the 'historical event' seasons is the foundation of the 4 season cycle display. I don't know of any other way to represent it. If there were a way to have a tidy little season symbol appear on the players hud, or be able to toggle different textures for the strat map, then we'd have something else to go on, but as this mod stands now, it's either the "historical event' announcements, or nothing.

If that prospect seems too high a price to pay for a 4 season mod, i hope to hear about it in this thread. I'm cool with it myself. But that's me.

The idea Taron mentioned, of removing a ton of later units, cool idea. I've been thinking similarly recently.

LOL I've never made it to 1400 in DLV in any case. I'm just not quite so oriented in 'winning' the game as some others. I have ledgers full of notes on past kings, princes, and their exploits and that is my personal payoff in playing DLV.

Meh. I suppose lopping off later period units is doable. I'd keep them in my personal copy though.. just in case I'm still playing my campaign in 2012.

Actually, come to think of it, I have no clue how to do that part.