[EB AAR] Koinon Hellenon: Athens X Sparta (.org X TWCenter), a participative AAR - Sparte

[Populus Romanus]

Epicydes launches himself to his feet, "Populus! My fellow Spartan! I do not wish to create a hostile atmosphere between you and I. We are Spartans, and we have much more to worry about than any tiny squabble you and I could create! However, I find it necessary to question your words! You claim that a campaign into Asia Minor will bring upon us unnecessary conflict. However, why is Epeiros any different? Apart from the Epirotes, there are the tribes to the north. As barbaric as they are, they must still be respected in the ways of war! Our men are not immortal, though they certainly deserve to be! They can kill just as easily as anyone in the vast deserts of Asia! Not to mention, the Romans! Inevitably, our conquests of Epeiros will bring us into contact with them, and as both of our peoples are lustful for conquest, you cannot possibly believe in a long-term peace? I must also stress the fact that not every land we turn our gaze to should only be considered as long as it provides strategic military conveniences and benefits! Do we not also need our coffers to be full? The capturing of Krete would allow for a mid-point between us and our trade partners to the south! Our military operations cannot be supported with out a well-balanced plan to fund them!"

Epicydes stopped for breath, and took note of those who were nodding in agreement, "War is inevitable wherever we go! Whether it be into Asia Minor, or Aitolia and Epeiros, they both offer the same advantages and disadvantages! Yes, we do have to travel overseas to Asia Minor, albeit slightly, but that advantage works for us as well! Our enemy cannot simply march into our lands uninhibited! Marching to the north does not guarantee that we will not suffer major casualties! We have already done so, and the battles have been within arms reach! And as I have mentioned, future enemies lie beyond the immediate, no matter what lands we turn our gaze to next! I would be foolish to assume that we could, or should, stay away from the northern lands, but your reasoning against differentiation is false!"

Epicydes cleared his throat, he motioned for someone to fetch Populus some wine, and took his seat.

But Epicydes, in Epeiros there are less dangers than in Asia Minor. In Asia Minor, you will see that there are three major nations battling it out: Pontos, the Ptolemaioi, and the Arche Seleukia. Those include the two most powerful empires in the entire world. Do want to bring that down upon our heads? War in Asia Minor is not inevitable. War with Epeiros is. Not to mention the fact that war with Epeiros would only create a border with one powerful tribe, the Getai, not this Barbaroi horde which you seem to suggest. The Romanoi will not come into conflict with us either, for they are seperated by the Adriatic Sea, and since they are too foolish to mount a naval invasion, they would have to march the entire length of Italia and Illyrica just to declare war-certainly not a cost effective move. To sum it all up, the risks of an invasion of Asia Minor are huge, and could put nearly everything at risk, including a founding city, Rhodos. The risks of an invasion of Epeiros are minimal. Perhaps we might lose one battle, but only at a stretch. The loss of the entire war is completely unthinkable. However, war with the Ptolemaioi, Arche Seleukia, and Pontos is to invite defeat after defeat, and eventually there is no feasible outcome except being overwhelmed and slaughtered. Do not forget that while we would be at war in Asia Minor, we also would certainly be engaged in that inevitable war with Epeiros. Our forces would be stretched so thin, that a complete defeat at the hands of Epeiros might actually be feasible. Frightening, but true. I sincerely hope that I am not the Councilor who sees the folly of an invasion of Asia Minor. At stake is nothing less than the future of Hellas and even the very existence of Sparte. Men of Sparte, I appeal to you as an Ephor to veto this motion.

[Molina]

266 BC

Athenian orders:
-Retrain and reinforce the Alliance Army in Athens. (YES)
-Demetrias must not fall. (YES)
-Improve recruitment. (YES)
-Create an intelligence network: Hellas and Asia Minor. (YES)
-Fleet to blockade the port of Pella. (YES)
-Doros will remain studying in Athens for now. (YES)

Spartan orders:
-Recruitment impossible in Sparta due to low population.
-The Spartan Army is currently merged with the Alliance Army and so cannot move independently.
-Replace Spartan skirmishers with Hoplites. (Not yet - they're with the Alliance Army)
-Type III government in Demetrias, the city is to remain neutral. (YES)
-Report on the population of the poleis. (YES)

The Hoplites of the League Army were immediatly recruited in Athens so that Chremonides could march to Demetrias once again with a strong force, capable of breaking the Makedonian siege.


Meanwhile, a promising Spartan wished to marry the daughter of Areus.


Areus accepted and the marriage between Damasos and Hermine took place in Sparta. This man was now subject to the orders of the Spartan Council.


In preparation to the new offensive against Macedon, the port of Pella was blockaded by the Athenian Fleet.


When the League Army was ready, Chremonides ordered his men to march to Demetrias.





Damasos, the new member of the Spartan royal family, decided to prove himself in war, like a true Spartan, and marched with some of his men to join the army of Chremonides.


When they arrived, the city was already being assaulted. The 33 men under Captain Adymos would have to hold on until the Alliance Army could reinforce the city of Demetrias.





The Hellenes and the Macedonians arrived at the same time from different directions. The confrontation would take place inside the walls.


The Hellenes had more time to prepare, and set up an ambushing position so that they wouldn't have to fight the Macedonian phalanxes head-on.


Chremonides's plan worked.





Demetrias was free.


After the victory, Chremonides ordered the construction of an advanced fort to protect Demetrias from any sudden attacks coming from Pella.


In Demetrias itself, many were the possibilities for how the Hellenes would rule the city.











As per order of the councilors, a local tyrant was put in power in Demetrias. The walls were repaired as well.


It seems that some of the population were uneasy with Demetrias joining the Koinon, or perhaps the tyrant wasn't very popular afterall. A revolt started in the countryside.


Dionys Athoites was the leader of this revolt. Chremonides decided to stop him before he could gather more supporters.

















Meanwhile, in Korinthos...


...and in Chalkis, military facilities were improved so that these cities could help with more men.


Hoplites were constantly levied in Athenai.


Also in Athenai, Doros continued his education in the Athenian academy.


He was becoming a good administrator, and there was still time for him to join the Spartan Agoge, should the opportunity come.





Damasos, the new Spartan, was learning a lot just by fighting by the side of Chremonides and Eudamidas.





In Pella, two old men fortified the city with a strong army. Perhaps it could be better to wait for them to die before attempting to move further north.


They were not the last of the Macedonians, though, as confirmed by our spy in Asia Minor. Mytilene was governed by some Euchrous, subject of the Basileos.


He had been sending many armies to attempt conquering Pergamon, and so far had little success.


Our allies, the Ptolemaioi, abandoned us in our war, but remained as our allies still.


And, for the first time, the Alliance had quite a lot of money in its treasure to spend.


The fort was secure, and the Alliance Army was relatively well supplied with men, although these were mostly untrained and poorly equipped levies. Perhaps now the Spartan Army could leave the Alliance Army and go their own way.

The Adventures of Lykkaortas in Megale Hellas



My name is Lykkaortas, but you may call me Lykkas. I am an Athenian diplomat currently working in Megale Hellas.


I write to inform our glorious League of Poleis that the Romaioi have conquered the city of Taras recently, advancing their borders further south.


They have also besieged Rhegion and should soon control all of Megale Hellas.


Other than that, I have recently made contact with Carthaginian authorities and signed a trade deal with them.







So I say this: have you completely fogotten the hellenic poleis in the west? The greeks of Megale Hellas are falling one by one, and Syrakousai is the next target. You should come and aid this city at once! While at it, the fleet could give me a ride back to Athenai.


Because I don't want to walk all the way back home.


Spartan Gerousia session now open to decide what must be done during the next year!

[MIDN Mainolfi]

I can see where your concerns arise from, dear Populus, but the Romans are not beyond marching across Italy, they are extremely mobile, and their infrastructure is impeccable. Marching that far requires a much smaller amount of effort for them than it does our dear hoplites! Our borders will meet, it is inevitable, and it will be somewhere in Illyria at best. And though in the north, we may only be presently come into contact with the Getai, will the other barbaric nations of Europa simply ignore our presence?

I do truly take heed in your warning of the two powerful empires of Arche Seleukia, and the Ptolemoic Kingdom. However, as you mentioned, they are battling it out. In Asia Minor, we would have the advantage of a divided enemy having to fight a war on two, possibly even three fronts! Chipping away slowly at one of the dastardly foes on one end of their territory, while another of their enemy attacked them from the opposite.

However, do mistake me! I am not blind to the imminent threat that Epiros is sure to cause us! However, an excursion into Asia Minor has been proposed, and fairly successfully agreed upon, and I believe it to be too late to change, as our scribes have departed! We must now stay true to our course, and I am simply saying that a war in Asia Minor can be just as similar to a war here on Greece, as long as it is managed correctly! As you, yourself, mentioned many a year ago, we have a powerful ally to the north in the Athenai, and nothing will get past them. Our operations in Asia Minor present us with the oppurtunity to establish successful trade routes, and well as build richer cities than we would be able to do in Europa!

The desert is vast, and we will likely be able to maintain steady peace there, or at least have a little breathing room. However, I do feel that if we marched into Europa, we wouldn't be able to stop for a moment without aquiring a new enemy, and getting attacked repeatedly by them.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

Okay, off the bat we already have a few issues to vote on, and to be brought to everyone's attention! Also, if anyone has a post they wish to recycle, just let me know! You don't have to type it up again or anything, just say "Hey, you! Do this!" and I'll copy and paste it from the last update! Also, I think I might start adding names to agreements and disagreements. Not so that people can create torch-wielding possies on people who vote against them, but so that everyone knows their vote was counted and paid attention to, and help me catch my mistakes!

Diomede's has formed a new party: The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)

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I AGREE that we should maintain a direct line of communication between the councils. I have become disilusioned with the ways of the Spartan Nationalist Party and am inspired by the words of Cassibellane. I would like to found the Lacedaemonion Unionists and our symbol shall be a Spartan helmet on a black background.

Late last session, there were also a few proposals about future actions toward captured cities that didn't have time to receive a lot of attention:

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:

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I further propose that we, from this day forward, never enslave a free city so long as this Alliance stands."

Status: 1 Agree (RangerBlue) 3 Disagree (Scutarilegion, Getenus,SavageFeat)

Savagefeat's Extermination Proposal:

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I PROPOSE should we take Pella we should exterminate the population. and this should send a message out to all who would with to with the greeks, it would also give us extra cash

Status: 2 Agree (RangerBlue,Getenus) 1 Disagree (Populus Romanus)

New Proposals:

Ranger Blue's military Proposals:

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(1)Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable.

(2)I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town!

(3)If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible.

(4)I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed

Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(2): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(3): 2 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat)
(4): 3 Disagree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)


Populus's Military Actions Proposals:

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(1)I PROPOSE that Asia Minor not be invaded any time soon
(2)I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte be reinforced and retrained (but later part of it disbanded in Lakonia)
(3)I PROPOSE that Epeiros be invaded - - LATER!
(4)I PROPOSE that Pella not be sacked, but occupied and given level II government

Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat,Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Agree (SavageFeat,Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(3): 1 Agree (Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(4): 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:

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(1) I Propose we reinforce the Spartan army.
(2) I Propose we build a fleet.
(3) I Propose we sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections.

Status:
(1): 2 Agree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(3): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)



KOINON HELLENON:

None So Far!

[Ranger Blue]

I Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable.
I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town! If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible.
I Propose that a military force only be sent to aid the greeks of Syrakousai after Makedon/Epirus have been defeated and Thermon taken, unless an army from Sparte or Athens takes it upon themselves to go. The Alliance army is needed here for now, and cannot be spared.

To Populous:
Surely you can see that the garrison in place at Thermon is larger even than the Makedonian army at Mytilene. On top of that, the greeks currently residing in Pergamon are assisting us in fighting them (that may not be their intent, but it is still true). Also, taking Mytilene would not necessarily mean an immediate strike into Asia Minor. The military benefits may be some time off, but the economic benefits would be immediate.

To Molina:
As this campaign progresses, will their be more armies allowed, or will the limit remain at 3 throughout?

EDIT:
I Agree with Beckitz proposal on slavery. Free cities are merely misguided in the belief that they will not benefit from being within the Koinon. Cities belonging to opposing factions however, are free the be enslaved, to send a message to their rulers.

I Agree with Savagefeats proposal on the extermination of Pella. These false hellens deserve everything they get, and the extra boost to our coffers wouldn't hurt either.

[Populus Romanus]

Men of Sparte, I have quite a bit to say and not much time to say it, so I'll say it quick. First of all, our spy's intelligence report from Asia Minor has reported the presence of a huge Makedonian army, and they will inevitably conquer Pergamom. That would make an invasion of Asia Minor even more unfeasible, for obvious reasons. Secondly, our Romanoi allies have been successful in our proxy war, and have defeated all Epeirote presence in Megale Hellas. Epeiros is now very weak, and the time to strike is soon. However, the Army of Sparte is currently far too weak to begin this brutal endeavor in its current decimated state. Therefore, this war will certainly have to wait. However, we have to strengthen ourselves for the war to come. This leads into my next point. We should seperate the Army of Sparte from the Army of the Koinoin and march it back to Sparte for retraining. While they are marching, we should train Hoplitai constantly to bring them up to their rightful strength. Some may complain about the population depletion of Sparte. I say that this is a time of war. Our armies our consisted of citizen levies who are always called up to service in times of war, and they know what to expect. When the crisis has passed, we shall disband those units of citizens who are no longer necessary inside of Lakonia so that they continue their lives as normal, tending their fields and providing as many new children to bolster our armies as is physically possible. Once the retraining and reinforcing has been completed, then the time is right to march on the Epeirote Barbaroi. However, that is definently something that will not occur until next year, because of the distances involved. However, due to the mindless resistance of some Councilmen, I would like to point out that if we procrasitnate with this war, its going to come back and bite us in the ass, I am certain of it. Quite frankly, it is plain to all that Makedonia is going to die in Hellas shortly. Their days are numbered. Once we have wiped them out here, the only challenger to our dominance in Hellas is Epeiros. I also want to say that Pella, the Makedonian capitol, should not be enslaved as some Councilors here would like to see happen. These men are possessed by hatred and grudges, but they would do well to remember that these are things of Barbaroi - coincidentaly, exactly what they accuse Makedonians of being as justifaction for their actions. I say that clemency is key. As we have learned from Demetrias, the citizens of conquered states are none to keen to accept us as their rulers when our first action is to carry away the majority of their citizens to a life of miserable slavery. The key to good public relations is clemency. We should construct a level II government in Pella in order to absorb them into the Koinoin Hellenon smoothly, without much fuss. Men of Sparte: TO VICTORY!

I fervently DISAGREE with savage feat's extermination proposal
I fervently DISAGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal to invade Megale Hellas to aid Syrokousai
I AGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal to not invade Asia Minor without favorable results of the Siege of Mytilene, with the addition that we never invade at all.
I AGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal that Rhodos supply troops
I PROPOSE that Asia Minor not be invaded any time soon
I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte be reinforced and retrained (but later part of it disbanded in Lakonia)
I PROPOSE that Epeiros be invaded - - LATER!
I PROPOSE that Pella not be sacked, but occupied and given level II government

Man, this certainly didn't turn out as short as I planned.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

Populus, would be willing to make a list of definite proposals so I don't mess up when I paste them? I want to make sure that what I post is right, is all. I have also noticed that our Athenian guests have once again graced us with their presence! Please feel free to take the floor!

@Ranger Blue, I updated the mass paste post with your agreements and proposals. Let me know if I did the proposals wrong.

@Populous: Thanks! Everything is posted! And I cannot celebrate my 100 posts without commending you for your 200 posts! Yee-haw!

[Populus Romanus]

Populus, would be willing to make a list of definite proposals so I don't mess up when I paste them? I want to make sure that what I post is right, is all. I have also noticed that our Athenian guests have once again graced us with their presence! Please feel free to take the floor!

@Ranger Blue, I updated the mass paste post with your agreements and proposals. Let me know if I did the proposals wrong.

Done.

Darn! I lost a party member, then. Come on, people! Join the Sparte Nationalist Party (SNP) to represent the best interests of Sparte, the Allies, the Koinoin Hellenon, and all the Hellenes everywhere. Join the SNP, people! Join!





200 posts! Woo-hoo!

[Gotenus]

I PROPOSE that we reinforce our Spartan Army, make a fleet, and sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

I will make your proposal 3 seperate proposals: one for reinforce spartan army, one for building a fleet, and one for departure to sicilia. That way the whole proposal doesn't automatically fail in case someone doesn't agree with only one point. Unless you prefer for it to be that way. Just let me know, I have no problem fixing it to the way you want it!

[Gotenus]

No problem.

I DISAGREE with Beckitz' Anti-slavery proposal.

I AGREE with Savage feat's extermination proposal.

I AGREE with 1, 2, and 3 of Ranger Blue's proposals.

I DISAGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal 4, in favour of my proposals.

I AGREE with Populus' proposal 1.

I DISAGREE with Populus' proposal 2(in favor of mine), proposal 3, and proposal 4.

[Sekiryutei]

Ranger Blue's military Proposals
(1)Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable. I AGREE

(2)I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town! I AGREE though in favor for this proposal we would need a navy.

(3)If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible. I AGREE

(4)I Propose that a military force only be sent to aid the greeks of Syrakousai after Makedon/Epirus have been defeated and Thermon taken, unless an army from Sparte or Athens takes it upon themselves to go. The Alliance army is needed here for now, and cannot be spared. I DISAGREE

Populus's Military Actions Proposals:
(1)I PROPOSE that Asia Minor not be invaded any time soon I AGREE
(2)I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte be reinforced and retrained (but later part of it disbanded in Lakonia) I AGREE
(4)I PROPOSE that Pella not be sacked, but occupied and given level II government I DISAGREE

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:
(1) I Propose we reinforce the Spartan army. I AGREE
(2) I Propose we build a fleet. I DISAGREE
(3) I Propose we sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections. I DISAGREE

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:
I further propose that we, from this day forward, never enslave a free city so long as this Alliance stands." I DISAGREE

Also Molina where is the faction diplomacy standards? its was requested but never received .. also Diomede's new party (The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)) is not a full party until it has one more member. also what is the point for party's do they get extra votes or something? or is it just for fun?

P.S. any one know how to make smileys? cause i think it would be cool to have somthing like this with a spartan or Koinon Hellion flag sorry i just found the all smileys place hehehehehehe now time for smileys

I ing smileys
wooooh I have Rep

[Molina]

History of the Koinon Hellenon, spreadsheet style.

[Sekiryutei]

History of the Koinon Hellenon, spreadsheet style.

ok this is all nice but I want to know what factions are at war with each other like Epirus, Rome, Ptolemies, the Seleucid's and Macedon

[Ranger Blue]

I fervently DISAGREE with Ranger Blue's proposal to invade Megale Hellas to aid Syrokousai

I'd like to point out that I am AGAINST sending men to Syrakusai until after Makedon/Epirus are defeated OR the Spartan/Athenai army goes themselves. I made no comment on whether or not I thought they should, but I don't believe any army should yet.

Would it be possible to clarify my point perhaps? Change it to something like "I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed"? I'm not sure if Populous meant that no action should be taken at all, but this should help clear things up.

As to other proposals:

I Agree with Populous' proposals 1, 2 and 3, although I believe a new vote will take place with regards to when Epirus will be invaded. I've already stated my position on Pella.

I Agree with Gotenus' 1, Disagree with 2 and 3. There is no way we can fund/raise an army fast enough and of enough size to be of use without reinforcements.

[MIDN Mainolfi]

Would it be possible to clarify my point perhaps? Change it to something like "I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed"? I'm not sure if Populous meant that no action should be taken at all, but this should help clear things up.

Yeah, no problem, done and done! Instead of making you scroll all the way back up there, here is what your proposal list looks like:

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(1)Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable.

(2)I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town!

(3)If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible.

(4)I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed

If you want to change it again, just let me know! Though I can't change people's motions unless they say so, but hopefully this will help you out!

[MIDN Mainolfi]

Updated with proposals, agreements/disagreements, and new system!
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Diomede's has formed a new party: The Lacedaemonian Unionists (LU)

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I AGREE that we should maintain a direct line of communication between the councils. I have become disilusioned with the ways of the Spartan Nationalist Party and am inspired by the words of Cassibellane. I would like to found the Lacedaemonion Unionists and our symbol shall be a Spartan helmet on a black background.

Late last session, there were also a few proposals about future actions toward captured cities that didn't have time to receive a lot of attention:

Beckitz Anti-Slavery Proposal:

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I further propose that we, from this day forward, never enslave a free city so long as this Alliance stands."

Status: 2Agree (RangerBlue, Populus Romanus)
3 Disagree (Scutarilegion, Getenus,SavageFeat)

Savagefeat's Extermination Proposal:

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I PROPOSE should we take Pella we should exterminate the population. and this should send a message out to all who would with to with the greeks, it would also give us extra cash

Status: 2 Agree (RangerBlue,Getenus) 1 Disagree (Populus Romanus)

New Proposals:

Ranger Blue's military Proposals:

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(1)Propose that no attack upon Mytilene be carried out until reports of the siege of Pergamon are received, and found to be favourable.

(2)I Propose that Rhodos support the Alliance with it's own troops, if possible. They are by far the largest city, but as of yet have not contributed men, while Sparte is practically a ghost town!

(3)If the military infrastructure isn't there, I Propose it be built as soon as possible.

(4)I Propose no action be taken in Sicily by the Alliance army until Makedon and Epirus have been destroyed

Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(2): 3 Agree (Populus Romanus,Getenus,SavageFeat)
(3): 2 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat)
(4): 1 Agree (Populus Romanus) 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)


Populus's Military Actions Proposals:

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(1)I PROPOSE that Asia Minor not be invaded any time soon
(2)I PROPOSE that the Army of Sparte be reinforced and retrained (but later part of it disbanded in Lakonia)
(3)I PROPOSE that Epeiros be invaded - - LATER!
(4)I PROPOSE that Pella not be sacked, but occupied and given level II government

Status:
(1): 3 Agree (Getenus,SavageFeat,Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Agree (SavageFeat,Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(3): 1 Agree (Ranger Blue) 1 Disagree (Getenus)
(4): 2 Disagree (Getenus,SavageFeat)

Gotenus's Sicilia Expansion Proposals:

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(1) I Propose we reinforce the Spartan army.
(2) I Propose we build a fleet.
(3) I Propose we sail to Syrokousai and Sicilia. We would be able to rally them to our side in the debates, council, and elections.

Status:
(1): 2 Agree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(2): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)
(3): 2 Disagree (SavageFeat, Ranger Blue)



KOINON HELLENON:

Jirisys Proposals:

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(1) I Propose we create a boule for the Prytaneis of every polis, each year, so we can decide the orders for matters that affect the Koinon as a whole (such is the army).

(2) I Propose IF NOT IN DANGER OF BEING BESIEGED OR ATTACKED, that we give back some of the men to their own polis, so they may retrain and see their famlies again.
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3) I Propose we must not get into confrontation with any free kingdom.

(4) I Propose we must improve our infrastructure and economy, with trade rights all over the world.

Status:
(1): Pending
(2): Pending
(3): Pending
(4): Pending

[Populus Romanus]

I meant no action taken ever. After all, why go all the way over to Syrokousai to get ourselves involved in a bunch of random wars over in Magale Hellas, including two of the most powerful empires in the world? I makes no sense when one thinks about it.
And I am quite bemused at the insistence of Councilors on the enslavement of Pella, including a certain SNP member who is supposed to be looking out for the rights of fellow Hellenes...
And MIDN Mainolfi, your post is wrong. I voted for the anti slavery proposal and voted for Ranger Blue's proposal 4.

[jirisys]

Leumenes' slave went to the spartan assembly and gave the paper written by Leumenes to the orator, and read it out loud.

"HA HA! The makedonians routing is the most joyful sight in my life, YOU SEE!" He was overly excited, yet, with a great reason. "Ares was truly thristy for blood! And those makedonians did not event make a crack on our shield! Those bastards are not worthy of being called greeks, such cowards, running from their men, while still hundreds of them battling, ha! Ares had their revenge, for those who died in the capture and those who died in the defense. It must bring great joy, as we have trumped the Makedonian war machine and at the same time, uniting even more all of the polis of Hellas! Yet, while Ares has given us the bloody rage of death that all greeks must have in battle. Yet, Athena now must possess our minds, as we need to know what to do with this victory. Yes, we have won a great battle, but now, the Makedonians will make either the mistake of attacking us in our own lands and without the professional men they've lost in the siege, or they will stay in Pella and try to rebuild their armies."

"Now, that we most need unity, in our desitions, I must see, to first, Make a Prytaneia boule of all the polis, every year, so the Prytaneis may reunite and for proposals for the Koinon and it's army. In other matters, we must, if in not inminent danger, give back some men to their polis' army and keep some men for defense of Demetrias, also, we must avoid any other confrontations with any other kingdoms, as it would weaken our polis. This is a time where we must grow prosper, with trade and farming, with buildings. We must let a time for upgrading our economy, buildings, armies, navies and bonds. We must remain in peace, so we may strike like undead men later! However, if needed, a levy athenian army go ask for help to Kretai. But that is as much"

I PROPOSE we create a boule for the Prytaneis of every polis, each year, so we can decide the orders for matters that affect the Koinon as a whole (such is the army).
I PROPOSE IF NOT IN DANGER OF BEING BESIEGED OR ATTACKED, that we give back some of the men to their own polis, so they may retrain and see their families again.
I PROPOSE we must not get into confrontation with any free kingdom.
I PROPOSE we must improve our infrastructure and economy, with trade rights all over the world.
I PROPOSE we should use some levy athenian army to liberate Kretai..

~Jirisys ()

The orator, reading what Leumenes wrote after the transcript: "I would like to validate proposals I to IV in the spartan assembly, so they may be accepted on both sides. Clarifying, free kingdoms (in-game factions actually) like Epeiros or Arche Seleukeia, and save some time for building infrastructure rather than fight with levy and without funds."

~Jirisys (slave)

[MIDN Mainolfi]

And MIDN Mainolfi, your post is wrong. I voted for the anti slavery proposal and voted for Ranger Blue's proposal 4.

I'm confused, your clearly disagreeing with it in post #195. Fervently in fact. That's why Ranger wanted the language changed. I will change it, but I think you've become confused somewhere.

And there is no post where you agreed to the anti-slavery proposal. I will change it, but again, I think you've gotten lost somewhere.