TWC and the near future

[Last Roman]

I say we go with the "typical" western european fuedal system. At top would be king, go through the nobility, the non-nobility military (men-at-arms) and then the peasants at the bottom

[Sidus Preclarum]

Let's get Feudal, and let Patronizing become Vassalage.
Great Houses of the TWC, replicates Feudal Europe pretty well imho.
Let the Imperator become the Pope, the only figure of central authority in western medieval europe :p
Or maybe the Emperor, if he lists...

[therussian]

My first choice would be Byzantine, but to compromise between West and East, how about we go with this place



Venice!Probably the second most famous republic in history (behind Rome of course)

[vizi]

I'm feeling better today, not as dizzy. I think we need to switch. And fuedal titles in my opinion would be the best. I don't like Byzantium because I think it is a half-assed change. We can't be afraid of change, no one wants to be part of a forum that stagnates and lives in the "past."

[{nF}remix]

I'm feeling better today, not as dizzy. I think we need to switch. And fuedal titles in my opinion would be the best. I don't like Byzantium because I think it is a half-assed change. We can't be afraid of change, no one wants to be part of a forum that stagnates and lives in the "past."

QFT, its like our site does not want to put any effort into a change, we're too traditionalistic.

[imb39]

no one wants to be part of a forum that stagnates and lives in the "past."

But many don't want to forget the past either... A natural progression, perhaps, would be OK. Byzantium figures in this. It is also very romantic.

[vizi]

A slow change is fine by me, start with Byzantium and move towards the English titles. I still think the Byzantium isn't going far enough. It like say your friend lives 100 miles away and you tell him you will drive 33 miles and he can drive the rest to meet you there. I just don't like the idea of it. Change is good.

[Atheist Peace]

Oh come on imb, you're smarter than that. We aren't going to forget our past in any way by changing themes. The thing that keeps our history always alive is our longtime members who keep TWC what it is, as long as our most committed members stay, the past of TWC will never die.

[imb39]

Thank you AP, there's a compliment in there... I've already made my position clear. We've started off due to ROME Total War and a nautral progression would be to develop along Byzantium lines as this is what happened in real life.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I still stand by my choice of Medieval England. Most people asssociate the medieval times with Knights and stuff.

[Lord Tomyris]

Yep, Byzantinium just doesn't do it for me...besides, by the end of M2TW's timeframe, Constantinople has already fallen to the Ottomans...

[Sinuhet]

Well all my ideas:

English
Civitates: Knight
CP: Baron
Quastor: Earl
Praetor: Duke
Consul: Prince
Imperiator: King

Byzantine
Civitates: Tagmata
Patricians: Banden
CPs: Varangian
Quastors: Tourmarche
Praetors: Strategos
Imperiator: Baesilios (butchered name)

German
CPs - Ritter (Knight)
Questors - Herr (Lord)
Praetors - Prinz (Prince)
Consuls - Koenig (King)
Imperiator - Kaiser (Emperor)


Note: These are just ideas in order to show how a theme may look...

I like the English system. I have told it, we are in feudalism already now .... :laughing:

[imb39]

It's not feudal. I cannot, for example, force in anyway KHV to agree with me - indeed on this issue we disagree openly. Our current system works through trust only. There are few sanctions if the relationship breaks down etc.

[Søren]

I would prefer :

Basic Member = Footman/Serf/Peasant
Civitate = Squire
Patrican = Knight
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Senatorii = Courtiers
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Cohortes Praetoria = Marquis
Quaestor = Count
Praetor = Duke
Consul = Lord Marshall
Imperator = King

[Manji]

I overall agree with Bavarian, but would just change some nomenclature:

Basic Member = Peasant
Civitate = Squire
Patrician = Knight
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Senatorii = Lord
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Cohortes Praetoria = Marquis
Quaestor = Count
Praetor = Duke
Consul = Lord Marshall
Imperator = King

and would press to incorporate "honorary badges", given to

- Most Senior Member
- Most Commited Non-Staff
- Most Commited Staff
- Rising Star (for a great noob posters, for example)
- Great Debater


On the issue of changing theme: as it is, the civitate system is and was always about trust and bonds between patron and patronee which roughly means feudalism, even if a "friendly" form of it. Also, the forum itself works in a feudalistic scheme, with the lower ranks under the control of a smaller caste which in turn is controlled by a smaller caste, etc...

Changing from Roman to Medieval has no real impact on how government is handled, because it's a change of THEME not of SOUL or of ETHICS.

The ToS and forum rules remain the same, even if we changed to a Zulu theme or a Aztec theme...

[King Henry V]

It's not feudal. I cannot, for example, force in anyway KHV to agree with me - indeed on this issue we disagree openly. Our current system works through trust only. There are few sanctions if the relationship breaks down etc.

No, but the feudal system was very much like the Roman patrongae system, the system which we presently copy.

Vassalage agreements similar to what would later develop into legalized medieval feudalism originated from the blending of ancient Roman and Germanic traditions. The Romans had a custom of patronage whereby a stronger patron would provide protection to a weaker client in exchange for gifts, political support and prestige.

P.S Remember that I was the first person to say that I was someone else's vassal. I said it first! You will each have to pay me the royalty of of three chickens, a coat of mail and a horse per year for my permission to use it!

[imb39]

KHV, you hardly need protection! Though I could do with the prestige...

[King Henry V]

No, but it is the fact that in our present system we are only copying the name, not the details.

[Atheist Peace]

I would prefer :

Basic Member = Footman/Serf/Peasant
Civitate = Squire
Patrican = Knight
--------------------------
Senatorii = Courtiers
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Cohortes Praetoria = Marquis
Quaestor = Count
Praetor = Duke
Consul = Lord Marshall
Imperator = King

I fully agree with TBN about the ranks.

About Manji's idea for honorary titles, I think we could continue the member and modder awards and use those to bestow the titles, which are a terrific idea.

[King Henry V]

I say that Quaestor should become Sheriff (or seneschal) as both were adminstrative ranks.