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    Default Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    No one will form an alliance, and i am currently at war with all surrounding factions.(not by choice.lol)

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    are you playing the crusades campagin, cus they hav bad realtions withe everyone

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    They are Orthodox. Only one other Orthodox faction, and it is too far to be of any use. They are not Christian nor are they Muslim, and when the Orthodox religion increases in their settlements it lowers the relations with those factions. They cannot participate in Crusades or Jihads, and that also angers other factions.

    And Constantinople is a horde target, a priority Crusade target and a priority Jihad target, along with being a holding settlement for victory conditions. Basically everybody hates Constantinople, and by extension hates the Byzantines.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    play ss or KGCM so you have alot more orthodox and pagan religons such as keiv,lithuania, all of whihc are close by making them good trade allies

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelyell2006 View Post
    They are Orthodox. They are not Christian nor are they Muslim
    wait, what ? please explain, I'm confused


    Quote Originally Posted by rebelyell2006 View Post
    when the Orthodox religion increases in their settlements it lowers the relations with those factions.
    thanks, I didn't knew this
    Īnfrānt nu eşti atunci cānd sāngeri,
    nici ochii cānd īn lacrimi ţi-s.
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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    [QUOTE=rebelyell2006;8813920]They are Orthodox. Only one other Orthodox faction, and it is too far to be of any use. They are not Christian nor are they MuslimQUOTE]


    actully orthodox is christian, they are a denomination of christianity just like catholic,anglican,russian orthodox, etc

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Quote Originally Posted by rebelyell2006 View Post
    They are Orthodox. Only one other Orthodox faction, and it is too far to be of any use. They are not Christian nor are they Muslim

    actully orthodox is christian, they are a denomination of christianity just like catholic,anglican,russian orthodox, etc

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Quote Originally Posted by tudor93 View Post
    wait, what ? please explain, I'm confused
    They aren't Roman Catholic. They are Catholic, but Greek Catholic (= Eastern Orthodox)

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    the AI is just wierd (for me anyway), they almost always regect my offers, and even then they change into something i can barley afford, example, i offer map information for map information, then they ask for 5000 each turn for 20 turns and they will give me map information, also it can depend on how good your diplomat/princess is in diplomacy.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    maybe theyre low on money

    or the priotrity is money(see on the top left corner on the diplomancy scroll for thier stats such as priority/intrests, wealth, militarty etc.

    you have bad relations with them, so theyre not going to give away map info, military ascess away easily, if they think it will give them a disatvantge in a possible war

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    In the time of the crusades, the relations between the western powers and Byzantium were often tedious, some conflicts arised beetween the franks and Byzance. One crusade even finished to attack and pillage Constantinople during 3 days and the franks did set on conquering this Empire, although in the end it was not successfull.

    For Byzance, the crusaders were seen sometimes as allies, sometimes as a nuisance, sometimes as a real serious threat for them.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    In game terms, if a faction has bad relations with the pope, it poisons relations with every other catholic.

    The Pope has a bad opinion on those who are in war with other catholics.


    Since Byzantines are doomed to fight catholics (Venice is sure, Sicily and Hungary is likely), their relations with the Pope, thus with every catholic will go down with time.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bowden View Post
    They aren't Roman Catholic. They are Catholic, but Greek Catholic (= Eastern Orthodox)
    uhm ..... I was confused because he said being orthodox doesn't mean you are christian; eh, whatever

    Quote Originally Posted by shikaka View Post
    Since Byzantines are doomed to fight catholics (Venice is sure, Sicily and Hungary is likely), their relations with the Pope, thus with every catholic will go down with time.
    but still, they rule
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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Actually, Ive found that if you make absolutely no military moves into Europe and just start hammering the Turks right off the bat, the game is so much easier. I allied with Hungary, The Papal States, Spain and had trade rights with every Catholic nation. I even managed to marry the Russian princess for a perma-alliance. I conquered thr Turks and had the Egyptians on the ropes when the Mongels invaded.

    Just after the mongol invasion the Venetians were about to make a move on Thessalonica but by the time the army arrived it was nearly a full stack. It turned them away for another 10ish turns.

    Also, take advantage of the Verangian Guard. IIRC they have an attack of 19 with 20 defence and a charge of 8 or 9. So even conservatively their charge would equal 27! Thats unheard of with any other faction sure.
    Last edited by R3VAN; January 24, 2011 at 02:57 AM.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    wtf?orthodox are not roman catholic.they are simple orthodox.there are orthodox christians and catholic christians.dont mess the meaning up and tell such as catholics are the true christians and that kind of .

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Well if you really get down to it the Orthodox were/are Catholics just as much as the Confederates were Americans even though there was a civil war. They are so extremely similar even today. A catholic (if there is no catholic church relatively nearby) may actually attend church and recieve sacraments at an Orthodox church. From the stand point of the bible and the catholics view on it they were the first church as Peter was the first pope. Catholic=Universal so its the Universal Church. The only time it ever becomes a problem is when group A tells group B they are all going to hell for not being a part of Group A which is bs imo.

    Anyways the schisms and splits from the Catholic church is an interesting subject.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    there are no splits from the catholic church.there are splits of the CHURCH.catholics are not the main church and orthodox christians just some fools that didnt like it and left the catholic church.the CHURCH was split into two.the catholics and the orthodox.If you are going to say something say it as it is

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    Wait, what? The Catholic church has been around (their point of view anyways) since the time of Christ. Granted it wasnt called Catholic from the get go rather just called The Church, but the term Catholic came up as early as 48 AD. The Catholic church has been the main church for hundreds of years. So many other christian churchs can trace their origin the the catholic church, and as far as I know, no others claim any type of direct descendance from Jesus. Even early christian writings are recognised as being of catholic origin (as there was no other major christian institution at the time). Every christian isntitution originated from somewhere. It didnt start off with hundreds of different sects.

    Edit: Well there were different sects but most were absorbed or just faded away.
    Last edited by R3VAN; January 24, 2011 at 03:40 AM.

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    what the are you talking about
    use your eyes and read
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism
    The East–West Schism 1054, sometimes known as the Great Schism,[1] formally divided medieval Christianity into Eastern (Greek) and Western (Latin) branches, which later became known as the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church, respectively
    is that clear enough for you?

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    Default Re: Why does every other faction hate the Byzantines?

    So what you seem to be implying is that there was no such thing as a catholic/orthodox church until out of nowhere in 1054 it popped up? You do realise Roman Catholic isnt even an official name for Catholics? It was just a term used to seperate themselves from the Orthodox as even they still referred to themselves as Catholic. You cant have 2 seperate sects going by the same name, so one was coined ROMAN for recognising the Bishop of ROME as the head of the church and the other became known as Orthodox.

    The first known use of the term "Catholic Church" was in a letter by Ignatius of Antioch in 107, who wrote: "Where the bishop appears, there let the people be, just as where Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."[14]" - ^ Ignatius of Antioch. Letter to the Smyrnaeans. para. 8.

    Is THAT clear enough for YOU?

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