New shadow?

**BiggBudd** · January 16, 2011, 01:17 PM

Hi peeps, have search forums, but cannot find a description about "new shadow" cult in the game. I dont know much about Tolkien's world either, am playing as Dunbar and 1 of my towns is converting to the new shadow cult, cant see what causing it, presume its a character in the area, what to do about it?
Could do with any info about it plz?

**Themea** · January 16, 2011, 01:48 PM

Well if you go under settlement info and see the conversion stats it should say what's causing it, ie neighboring regions, monuments, or characters in the region. Adunabar seems to love their spies and they're probably the characters that are causing the conversion if there isn't an army lying in wait.

**BiggBudd** · January 16, 2011, 03:29 PM

ok looked further its a "geezer" called Herumour the lord black, an anc that adds 50% cult conversion, do I have to assassinate him? is it possible? or that not "cricket".

**Aradan** · January 16, 2011, 03:46 PM

Herumor is the 'mind' behind the Shadow Cult, and leaders of Adunabar get him as an ancillary (assuming it doesn't exist anywhere else). You can't really kill him.

Adunabar generally has a strong tendency towards the Shadow Cult, and following a "Men of the West" path is somewhat difficult due to that.

**Wambat** · January 17, 2011, 10:36 AM

If you are really intent on playing Adunabar as Men of The West, you might do best to put Herumor in one of your least valuable generals and send that general, alone, into a Custer's Last Stand battle.

If you have no enemies to fight, you can commission a small ship, put the general on it, take it out of port and decommission it. This is also an effective way of getting rid of excessive amounts of spies and emissaries.

If it doesn't break you heart to have just one of your territories a cultist one, Herumor is actually one of the more useful/powerful ancillaries in the game, and Adunabar can run either cultist or MoTW converted towns equally well; well cultist ones better; so long as any competing monuments are removed.

**Thangaror** · January 18, 2011, 07:40 AM

You can't disband ships outside a harbour. At least it never worked for me I think.
Best thing to do with Herumor: give him to some general, send him into your enemies territory and you'll cause a lot of unrest in his cities.

**Wambat** · January 18, 2011, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Thangaror

You can't disband ships outside a harbour. At least it never worked for me I think.
Best thing to do with Herumor: give him to some general, send him into your enemies territory and you'll cause a lot of unrest in his cities.

Right-o Thangaror, it has been a while since I used ships for this purpose. What you need to do, and what I must have done at the time, is to get some enemy ships to destroy your ship holding the unwanted cargo.

Another way of getting rid of unwanted spies, but only spies, unfortunately, is to send your assassins to assassinate your own spies while they are in an enemy city.

As for unwanted ancillaries, you can also put them on your oldest general(s) and wait for them to die of natural causes.

**StealthEvo** · January 18, 2011, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Wambat

Right-o Thangaror, it has been a while since I used ships for this purpose. What you need to do, and what I must have done at the time, is to get some enemy ships to destroy your ship holding the unwanted cargo.

Another way of getting rid of unwanted spies, but only spies, unfortunately, is to send your assassins to assassinate your own spies while they are in an enemy city.

As for unwanted ancillaries, you can also put them on your oldest general(s) and wait for them to die of natural causes.

That won't work for Herumor, it's an End of Turn trigger and will return to the current faction leader (if they have space)

**Revelo** · January 25, 2011, 09:46 AM

Originally Posted by StealthEvo

That won't work for Herumor, it's an End of Turn trigger and will return to the current faction leader (if they have space)

He sounds like the Micheal Myers of FATW. Whatever you try to do to him, he keeps coming back.

But I do love how this takes Tolkiens abandoned idea for The New Shadow and expands greatly on it. I pretty much regard this game as a true sequel to LotR and much better then EA's The Battle for Middle-earth games.

I do like how Ancillaries can respawn so to speak, was great when one of my RK generals wound up getting the Palantir of Minas Anor.

**Dark Lord's Heir** · January 25, 2011, 01:09 PM

Ancillaries are awesome in this mod

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