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    I rather not post this in the Ethos/Mores forum, so since this is more of a scientific approach to explain some topics, that highly controversial. I have read many books about different views on certain topics (i'll come to them one by one) and writings, which is highly controversial and usually booted or labeled "too science fiction-ish" then real. This is an open minded discussion so please don't come here to dispute something, because the -tv,news,current technology,school teaching,religion says it otherwise. Just because we all accept the so called facts from our present discoveries and accepted theories, it does not mean that they are correct or cannot be extended.
    Many things in our world remains unexplained or only theories connected, and as usual- Us, human beings - have a hard time accepting anything, that conflicts with our current knowledge and our accepted science and technology. It has been seen many times, such as the controversial theory about flying, or going faster than the speed of sound and other similar controversial - but now accepted - theories, which were proven, but wildly opposed before demonstrated.

    So here, I will post some of the topics, for which I keep an open mind about and have doubts about its current -accepted- explanation.
    This is still too science fiction, but since this forum is about science, I post it here.


    Ok here is the first topic. Warning! If you're a hardcore religious person, you will wildly oppose anything said here.

    a piece of a written document, some of you will recognize it , others don't, but still, I want you to read it and try imagining what it says. If you do not know where its from, I want you to just try picturing this in your mind and also try to understand it in a way, that this was written a very long time ago, and the person is trying to describe something, that he has a limited knowledge and words to use. So he uses words and phrases, which he can best describe what he sees, and some of you might say its sounds a little nonsense, but still, I beleive he wasn't crazy or lunatic, just couldn't find words to describe it in a way that we would understand.

    here it is: (this is only a piece, not the full)

    6: And every one had four faces, and every one had four wings.
    7: And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot: and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass.
    8: And they had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings.
    9: Their wings were joined one to another; they turned not when they went; they went every one straight forward.
    10: As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle.
    11: Thus were their faces: and their wings were stretched upward; two wings of every one were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies.
    12: And they went every one straight forward: whither the spirit was to go, they went; and they turned not when they went.
    13: As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, and like the appearance of lamps: it went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning.
    14: And the living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
    15: Now as I beheld the living creatures, behold one wheel upon the earth by the living creatures, with his four faces.
    16: The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl: and they four had one likeness: and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel in the middle of a wheel.
    17: When they went, they went upon their four sides: and they turned not when they went.
    18: As for their rings, they were so high that they were dreadful; and their rings were full of eyes round about them four.
    19: And when the living creatures went, the wheels went by them: and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up.
    20: Whithersoever the spirit was to go, they went, thither was their spirit to go; and the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
    21: When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up over against them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
    22: And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above.
    23: And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies.
    24: And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings.
    25: And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.
    26: And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
    27: And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
    They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
    Here is of what one of the NASA engineeers who worked on this
    Josef F. Blumrich
    A native of Steyr, Austria, engineer Blumrich is the holder of patents on numerous inventions. Until recently the author was chief of the Systems Layout Branch at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center. In earlier years, he devoloped the structural design of the Saturn V booster and participated in the design of Skylab.




    another concept drawing of the wheel mentioned


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    Quote Originally Posted by Archer
    Many things in our world remains unexplained or only theories connected, and as usual- Us, human beings - have a hard time accepting anything, that conflicts with our current knowledge and our accepted science and technology.
    It is worth noting that new data should not contradict old data unless the universe itself makes no sense. So at best, new data would show us new phenomena while still remaining largely consistent with older data, and force new theories which, like the data, must still be largely consistent with the older theories but incorporate some new development (case in point being Einstein's relativity, which is largely consistent with Newtonian physics except in certain exotic situations).
    It has been seen many times, such as the controversial theory about flying, or going faster than the speed of sound and other similar controversial - but now accepted - theories, which were proven, but wildly opposed before demonstrated.
    Actually, no one ever said they were scientifically impossible; they argued only that they were technologically impossible, which is a whole different kettle of fish. Even in the 19th century, they knew perfectly well that heavier-than-air flight was possible because birds did it all the time. And before they broke the sound barrier, they knew it was quite possible because anybody could do it with a rifle bullet. They just didn't think they'd be able to make a machine that would get the job done while safely carrying a man, so it was a matter of pessimism about engineering rather than scientific skepticism.
    a piece of a written document, some of you will recognize it , others don't, but still, I want you to read it and try imagining what it says.
    I read it, and I honestly don't see how you can go from that description to those pictures you posted. Aren't there supposed to be living, fire-breathing, winged creatures around this thing, and a big throne on top with a guy sitting in it?

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