[DISCUSSION] New Map and Other Things

[Aanker]

As I see it, the only thing that matters in this discussion is the a) playability of the server and b) how well Stunt can use his computer. PvP is of absolutely no significance, simply because a lot of players are not involved in PvP and wouldn't like to see everything they have built vanish due to a few complaints on the current way of doing things.

If you want to start any polls on this, your arguments must be validly based on what is actually relevant. A poll with such severe consequences as the one already started (and closed) must be constructed so that it doesn't only cater the PvP players, which the recently closed thread failed to accomplish.

[Visorslash]

Source that air isn't the most demanding block?

Lol.

Anyway can we confirm that what Mangerman said is correct? That there is a non-compatible update on the way?

[Makrell]

I haven't heard that.

I'm not opposed to a new map per se. I am not opposed to changing our server arrangement. I am opposed to using these things as leverage for one member of the community to change the rules to their liking without a proper vote.

Yes of course, we need more than one poll for this. i reckon we need:
-one poll for the new map issue
-one poll for free spawning for kingdoms

[Dewy]

Not enough to justify a change to the spawning rule. It's simply a nonsense argument.

Caught that edit. Did I say it was enough to justify a change to the spawning rule? As far as can tell stunt wants no spawning for the sake of pvp.

Source that air isn't the most demanding block?

Common sense tells me it isn't. Ask Mitch (someone studying to be a games programmer) "What uses more resources, something with collision, physics, music and real time shadows, or something that doesn't?"

[Aanker]

As long as any new poll doesn't bring up PvP as an argument, then yes, a new map poll may be started.

[Ferrets54]

Common sense tells me it isn't.

In other words, you have absolutely no idea. That's fine. It's just not a convincing argument that we should change the spawning arrangement, and I and you both know it's not the reason some people want to.

[Dewy]

In other words, you have absolutely no idea. That's fine. It's just not a convincing argument that we should change the spawning arrangement, and I and you both know it's not the reason some people want to.

Me > you, on anything to do with programming. I could debug it for you but that will waste my time and you'll have to pay me, then there is how legal it is.

[Makrell]

As long as any new poll doesn't bring up PvP as an argument, then yes, a new map poll may be started.

Stunt never used pvp as argument, he said no spawn would benefit pvp. But the rest are just blocks loading and such

[Ferrets54]

Me > you, on anything to do with programming. I could debug it for you but that will waste my time and you'll have to pay me, then there is how legal it is.

Fascinating, I'm sure. But at the moment "because I say so" isn't convincing me.

[Katsumoto]

I don't think I have the will to rebuild everything from ground up again, but seeing as Stunt seems to be entirely unable to use his computer, I neither support nor decline the new map proposal.

I agree with this, after months of work I've finally finished the outside of my castle - and now you guys want to change to a new map?

But yeah, this is just a temporary fix - sure, it may result in slower progress and hence not slow down Stunt's computer so quickly, but eventually we'll just be right back where we are now. Minecraft's ever growing popularity will also see more people joining the server, each of who will also contribute to the server's slow down.

[thegsg]

Yes of course, we need more than one poll for this. i reckon we need:
-one poll for the new map issue
-one poll for free spawning for kingdoms

Dude no spawning at all! D:<

[Dewy]

Fascinating, I'm sure. But at the moment "because I say so" isn't convincing me.

How could something with collision, physics, music and real time shadows be less system taxing than air? You can even test it yourself, get a minecraft map editor.

[Visorslash]

Source it.

[thegsg]

I agree with this, after months of work I've finally finished the outside of my castle - and now you guys want to change to a new map?

But yeah, this is just a temporary fix - sure, it may result in slower progress and hence not slow down Stunt's computer so quickly, but eventually we'll just be right back where we are now. Minecraft's ever growing popularity will also see more people joining the server, each of who will also contribute to the server's slow down.

Thats exactly what Dan says but im sure this issue is relevant to other server owners and eventually notch will fix it. but right now we need to respect stunt as this is his computer and his server we are only the guests.

[Ferrets54]

How could something with collision, physics, music and real time shadows be less system taxing than air? You can even test it yourself, get a minecraft map editor.

So you honestly believe that no spawning will solve the server issues?

[Dewy]

Source it.

The more calculations you have the more system resources it's going to use. What's faster for you to work out 1+1, or 1+1+1+1+1+1+2+3+4+6*100274568+10/2? It's simple logic.

So you honestly believe that no spawning will solve the server issues?

Did I say that? Apologise for lying.

[Visorslash]

But it has to caluculate for air, won't it?

Anyway SOURCE IT!

[Dewy]

But it has to caluculate for air, won't it?

Anyway SOURCE IT!

Yes there is calculations for air but a hell lot less calculations.

[Ferrets54]

Did I say that? Apologise for lying.

lol! So now a question can be a lie? Come on, you guys weren't even aware air was a block until I said.

[Dewy]

lol! So now a question can be a lie? Come on, you guys weren't even aware air was a block until I said.

You implied that I believe that no spawning will solve the servers problems which is a lie; it's all in the context of which the question was asked. I was aware air was a block, I was talking about it on the server about 2 weeks ago, I think it was with mitch or poach who mentioned you can't spawn it but you can place in a minecraft editor which I forgot the name of. However I did forget it was a block and you reminded me.