[Preview] Unit Beta-Previews

[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

What plans if any, have you got for the Romans? The army is a different animal to previous eras

I think I missed something, sorry. Which Romans...?

(Byzantine, Papal States...?)

[Constantius]

Basileia ton Rhomaiôn

[VINC.XXIII]

"What plans if any, have you got for the Romans? The army is a different animal to previous eras "

For byzantines, and Grece at large, this kind of equiments with more light or more heavy variations for the professional soldiers and aristocratic guys.
The basic model could be the Laca's Late Pikemen, if I have the right to mod this beatifull unit, adding plate armor for the heaviest warriors, or remove some protections for the less wealthies/armored guys.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...yzantine+plate post 12

"I think I missed something, sorry. Which Romans...?"
all Romans Bro^^, I have a good inspiration with the cartoon "Vasco" from Gilles Chaillet. No more San Pietro symbols everywhere in the future.
The Urbs militia and nobles will have the true stuff: St patrons of some Roman quarters or something for pavises also just nude leather for the round shields,
and for the nobles a mix of heraldry with the great Colonnas and their "alter ego", the Orsini, and some others Roman houses like Caetani, all according the Era.

[Bruce the Silver-Tongued]

For byzantines, and Grece at large, this kind of equiments with more light or more heavy variations for the professional soldiers and aristocratic guys.
The basic model could be the Laca's Late Pikemen, if I have the right to mod this beatifull unit, adding plate armor for the heaviest warriors, or remove some protections for the less wealthies/armored guys.
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...yzantine+plate post 12

"I think I missed something, sorry. Which Romans...?"
all Romans Bro^^, I have a good inspiration with the cartoon "Vasco" from Gilles Chaillet. No more San Pietro symbols everywhere in the future.
The Urbs militia and nobles will have the true stuff: St patrons of some Roman quarters or something for pavises also just nude leather for the round shields,
and for the nobles a mix of heraldry with the great Colonnas and their "alter ego", the Orsini, and some others Roman houses like Caetani, all according the Era.

Took a look at the model on post #12. Very nice. What do you think of what the fellow mentioned later in the thread, about the expansion of the roster for if/when/in-case the Roman Empire expanded from its handful of provinces in the Ren. campaign?

***Sorry, got swept up with thoughts of Byzantine campaigns all over, haha. Forgot the 4.0 is bringing a lot to the table.***

Looking forward to your work on the Eastern Romans, and the Papal Romans! Thanks for helping this mod get better and better!

[Constantius]

Not forgetting Genoese, Serbs, Bulgarians, Venetians, Latins, and Turks and Catalan mercs in the service of the emperor! Michael viii even had Mongols in his army, although that was earlier in the 14th century, point is the Romans relied heavily on Mercs

[VINC.XXIII]

"Not forgetting Genoese, Serbs, Bulgarians, Venetians, Latins, and Turks and Catalan mercs in the service of the emperor!" No problem, I know that, about the Nogai mongols..etc. I had answer for the "pure" greek units, the thessalian, epirote and peloponesian cavalries and his servants, mounted and dismounted.
For now the majority of these mercenary groups are represented: Catalans, French Nobles, Serbian Nobles, Italian gunners, Turkomans(like them of Orhan), the Alans. I'm not worry about the Byz. mercs. All their "national"(non-mercs) equilvalents are planned or yet done or redone. But I think that SV is more able to answer about the byzantines at large. Just I have some ideas to adapt for a limited number of units.
And isn't possible to ignore the CBUR and BC work for the greeks. I don't would do better that the yet existant work, just some adaptation according the different Eras.

I'm wondering if this unit was historic for the 14 th, its an extract of the Gilles Chaillet cartoon "Vasco"
Into "Vasco" they are an elite cavalry, very linked to the emperor's family. Have you an idea about them, well if they had really existed as in this pic.

[SicilianVespers]

The ERE has already been completely revised with BC and BC based models/skins for 4.0, but we probably could use some upgrades. Right now I think the Western Renaissance units should be the priority.

I think we should wait until all of you have 4.0 before we head in this direction.

[VINC.XXIII]

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[SicilianVespers]

I am reconsidering this. We already have the new Vestiariae in 4.0. I forget what they are called in BC, but they are perfect candidates for a plate upgrade as seen in the pic linked to above. I think we can squeeze some of this into 4.0.

I will post a pic of them when I can, but I don't really like the name Vestiariae for the unit. I see them as more of a late Spatharioi/Men-at-Arms,rather than an elite guard unit.

I'm open to authenic naming suggestion, if anyone has any.

@Rus-Bey

I will look into this after I finish the kite shields.

[VINC.XXIII]

Reino de Portugal
New Town Militias, middle 14th.
Crossbowmen, sec_wep: wood mauls, falchions, short hammers
Hast Militia, frst_wep: glaives, pikes, long hammers, sec_wep are same than crossbowmen.

The arabics are from Broken Crescent(first pic), and Rolling-Wave(sub mod Stainless Steel). I don't remember from who is the peasant texture of the Portugueses, if its not from Burrecks, I will create other portuguese poor wears texture.

Big thanks and credits to Lord Calidor and his great armory( many weapons's mesh of this portugueses, also Chapel Helmet), Burreck(certainly for the peasant texture),The Magyar Mod(pike and weapon textures)

[PedroL]

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Portuguese Aventureiros
(Conquest of Ceuta 1415)

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Militia Foot Soldier

Portuguese Foot Soldier

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Battle of Aljubarrota

PICTURES of the BATTLE

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[VINC.XXIII]

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[SicilianVespers]

PedroL that was a great video.

It reminds me of the first time I visited Frederick II de Svevia's (Hohenstaufen) tomb in Palermo. I snuck past the velvet ropes and touched his sarcophagus.

One of my ancestors went to Germany with him...

What Sicily and Italy could have been, if the Pope hadn't exterminated his line.....

I digress....

[PedroL]

Thanks my friend:
I give to you all the Promotion of The portuguese Film, from the Battle of Aljubarrota (1385)
Portugal versus Castille and Leon

[PedroL]

And also a short movie from the Battle of Atoleiros (1385)
Portugal vs Castille and Leon
11 of April 2011 (date of the movie release)

You can see portuguese crossbowmen, portuguese spearmen, portuguese javelinmen

[VINC.XXIII]

updated

[VINC.XXIII]

Stradiots ug0

Entire credits to Lord Calidor for this beatifull unit, just the normal map is redone.

the upgrade could have some torso armors, but not a complete armoured stradiot for the first half of 16th C.

[Ixor_Drakar]

Wow that is a great unit, the spear is exceptional.

[VINC.XXIII]

thanks, but the best is for after, I try to create a Late milicia based on this mesh, but less extragant style, this albanians are knew to be very colored...etc, some like German Mercenary Pikemen(Lansquenets).
This unit is already present in Stainless Steel RC/..., I don't remember the exact name.

[Ixor_Drakar]

Are those adalusian pikemen fighting the tercio the previous picture?