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    Default [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    Proposers: Lysimachus and Viking Prince
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    We would like to nominate elfdude for Phalera based upon his extraordinary contributions to Personal Help and Advice . He is respectful of others even if their views are opposing to his. Many members will note that these posts do indeed start shortly before his rise to citizenship. I would submit that the body of his posts within Personal Help and Advice had they all occurred prior to ctizenship could have meant this nomination rather than a patronization thread.

    elfdude has been a member of TWC since joining in September 15, 2006. This makes him officially an old timer in internet years. He has not a single warning with points to his moderation record which shows a dedication to posting within the rules. The records show nearly 2400 posts to his credit and has posted nearly 300 times in over 180 Personal Help and Advice threads as of Christmas.

    His contributions to Personal Help and Advice begin more recently though on March 8 of this year with this post: Re: Losing weight and there are a total of 8 posts in the losing weight thread. He brings a good understanding of biology to the thread. As somebody with kidney problems caused by hypertension, I know his advice is spot on. Others did indeed disagree with him, but he handled the critical comments well. This was indeed a great start to his contributions to the Personal Help and Advice subforum.

    This one is less science and more of a "Dear Abby" type of thread: Ex Girlfriend Interfering? It is never easy to have the ex and the current girlfirend in the same room, but to set them together at the same table means sparks may soon fly. elfdude handled this quite well with his 5 posts to the thread.

    Sticking with the relationship theme, here is a more recent thread: "High school" problem that only matters to me. Our nominee posts 4 times to this thread and gets to the very core of the problem rather than the superficial problem first stated by the member. Well done.

    We often see the same threads repeat. I mean how often do we ask ourselves how to get the girl? Well a good start is to flirt. So elfdude steps in with some advice in: The Same Ol' Same Ol' Rather than repeat advice which does get a bit repetitious he has simply inserted at the end of the thread some related threads. Nothing like being concise. No need to repeat sound advice when you can also remind the member that no matter how perplxing the problem is -- he / she is not alone.

    btw -- here is the referred link to make it easy for all of you:
    All-Out Preparation and Strategic Planning for Operation: Getting the Girl!
    (btw this thread also refers to other threads in one of his posts. Talk about efficiency!)

    Now I can continue, but to be honest, it is also fun to simply search for a bit on your own. I am not suggesting that you read every post that elfdude has made within the Personal Help and Advice, but I have not found a single post to be lacking.

    And for some ironic humor -- here is a recent thread post. The title and perhaps even some of the content probably should have been read prior to Lysi's and my struggle to rework this nomination post: Leaving it to the last minute

    This completes the rewrite of the first post to this nomination thread. I hope you enjoy poking about and discovering the joy of elfdude as much as we have enjoyed bringing him to your attention.

    Some PH&A postings that may be of interest that remain from the prior version of this nomination:
    Have trouble sleeping at night, could this be a good way of sleeping?
    Need some advice
    Initiating flirting
    Girl troubles


    Again, we wish to remind all citizens that there are far more posts of extraordinary quality. His posts are always thought provoking, further the conversation, friendly, and respectful.


    a short post script by Viking Prince

    PS -- as you will notice that I have posted in this thread in opposition to the medal for all of elfdude;s Non-TW posts as was originally presented for the nomination. However, after taking some time to dig into the Personal Help and Advice forum, I feel that these posts on their own are worhty of this medal. We have a large member base and we cannot all excel in every facet of the site as a productive poster. elfdude does indeed excel in the PH&A and I am honored to help write this nomination.

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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    Before we examine this candidate, let's review the constitution:

    To qualify for a Phalera award, the nominee must have made exceptional input or otherwise made significant contributions to non-TW sections of the boards. A member of any Rank is eligible to receive an Phalera award, but must also meet the criteria to become a Citizen. His nomination must also be seconded by an elected member of the Consilium de Civitate.

    Qualifying nominees shall have their nomination posted in the Prothalamos and will be moved to vote as per the procedure in Section II, Article III. Once moved to they shall be voted upon for a period of one week and require a two-third majority of non-abstaining votes to achieve the award. If the nominee was not already a Citizen, this Rank shall also be conferred upon them if they pass. A nominee who fails to pass his vote is not eligible to re-nominated until three months have passed.
    The nominee may have additional contributions to qualify for citizen, but do these posts qualify as contributions for citiizen? I have not reviewed the posts yet. Just throwing this out for others to consider before we move forward on this matter.
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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    elfude is already a citizen ... ?

    I don't know what you're saying

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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    The posts need to be suitable to use as a contribution for citizen.
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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    Elfdude's posts are obviously suitable for citizenship, as he has attained citizenship.

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    Already being a citizen does not really matter here since being a citizen does not matter for the purpose of awarding the medal. The medal is for extaordinary posting in a non TW portion of our site. The bar is meant to be set higher than citizen. Elfdude is a good poster. I have have seen a great deal of his posts and would patronize him if he were not already a citizen.

    I have not read the posts included in the nomination yet. I have no idea if they are a contribution for citizenship let alone extraordinary enough for the medal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    Isn't phalera supposed to be for the overall quality of all a person's posts, not just the posts used as examples in the nomination? So I don't really see why it'd matter if the specific posts used as examples in the nomination above are exceptional enough or not (though as good as possible examples is ofc a good idea)

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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    Please read the constitution. That is why I posted it. To be honest, if a citizen cannot make the case within the first post of the nomination thread of what the extraordinary contributions are I think the nomination should fail. This is not like a member before CdeC. CdeC understands that a member seeking citizenship may not be able to fully document the contributions. Partialy the reason for a patron to help with the application process. But we are not talking about the random marginal but worthy member here. We are talking about extraordinary contributions so obvious that simply pointing them out will result in a large medal award for the efforts.

    Again, I emphasize that I have not yet read the links.
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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    You've got a point there.
    I'd say the posts linked are sufficient to qualify for citizenship. For Phalera I have no idea (mostly since I haven't read many of them, as I don't frequent PH&A)
    I guess what those who want Elfdude to attain Phalera should do in this thread, is link posts by him that show him worthy of Phalera. Once a good amount of posts have been attained and added to the nomination it could be moved to vote.
    Personally I know too little about Elfdude's posting (as I have only been on this forum for some months, and didn't frequent the D&D forums before the last few weeks) to support the nomination in this phase, but what I've seen has been good.

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    I would say this is deserved and has my full support even though he is completely wrong on the atomic weapons post on EMM .
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    Most definitely support. I've seen some of elf's debates and his posts are most informative and knowledgeable. A good candidate for the Phalera award.
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    Having done the back and forth with him a few times I'd say he's met the qualifications for citizenship in terms of posting(1 qualification met). He's got a good head for debate and lends a certain brand of knowledge to the threads he posts in. However he still needs the CdeC support(qualification unmet) and I'm not entirely sure his posting is beyond that which we expect of citizens so I personally am unsure as to why I'd vote for an additional honour.

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    Please read the constitution. That is why I posted it. To be honest, if a citizen cannot make the case within the first post of the nomination thread of what the extraordinary contributions are I think the nomination should fail. This is not like a member before CdeC. CdeC understands that a member seeking citizenship may not be able to fully document the contributions. Partialy the reason for a patron to help with the application process. But we are not talking about the random marginal but worthy member here. We are talking about extraordinary contributions so obvious that simply pointing them out will result in a large medal award for the efforts.

    Again, I emphasize that I have not yet read the links.
    I'll add more links later today, though if you're going to argue against this you'd be better off reading them.

    Having done the back and forth with him a few times I'd say he's met the qualifications for citizenship in terms of posting(1 qualification met). He's got a good head for debate and lends a certain brand of knowledge to the threads he posts in. However he still needs the CdeC support(qualification unmet) and I'm not entirely sure his posting is beyond that which we expect of citizens so I personally am unsure as to why I'd vote for an additional honour.
    Will get to that later today.

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    Ouuu i have to read his flirting guide

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    The first time I ever encountered elfdude was in a debate with him. The qualities mentioned here by Lysimachus are ones that I have noticed as well, and since I frequently read and post in the D&D I can say from my reading that it has been a consistent thing. I only peek around the PH&A section from time-to-time, but I have read the PH&A posts cited in the OP.

    I vouch my support for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhan View Post
    Having done the back and forth with him a few times I'd say he's met the qualifications for citizenship in terms of posting(1 qualification met). He's got a good head for debate and lends a certain brand of knowledge to the threads he posts in. However he still needs the CdeC support(qualification unmet) and I'm not entirely sure his posting is beyond that which we expect of citizens so I personally am unsure as to why I'd vote for an additional honour.
    Agreed. He's definitely on the right track, though. So for now, oppose.

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    Hmmm... Yes, on the way, just not their yet. Oppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince
    But we are not talking about the random marginal but worthy member here. We are talking about extraordinary contributions so obvious that simply pointing them out will result in a large medal award for the efforts.
    I see your point but I don't think it applies in this case. If I look at the other members who have received Phalera nominations (and were succesful), I think elfdude measures up extremely well.
    Whether it's conon, TG, or Spartan JKM, the contributions of these members has been in continuous enlightening posts full of accurate information. Anyone who has read elfdude's posts knows that that's practically a definition of what he continuously does. Of his 2200+ posts, the overwhelming majority have been chock-full of information, going from at the very least several paragraphs to posts which rival and even surpass those of TG and Spartan in their most active moments.

    And please note that I'm not diminishing these members' contributions in any way; in fact I respect them greatly and I'd wager I've read more of their material than many here combined.
    I'm just saying that, based on the qualifications consistently demanded for the Phalera medal, elfdude IMO clearly passes due to the quality (and quantity!) of positively excellent posts. That was the case when I patronised him several months ago, and it has continued to be the case up to this day.

    I absolutely think he is Phalera material, and so give my full support.
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    Default Re: [Medal] elfdude for Phalera

    More links.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    Altruism a problem for evolution
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8521101#post8521101
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8522712#post8522712
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8545322#post8545322

    Problems with evolutionary theory
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8504486#post8504486
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8516794#post8516794

    Evolution of the Antioxidant
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8492396#post8492396

    Evolution has a lot a holes
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8481444#post8481444

    The big bang theory does not exist theory
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8452154#post8452154

    Nasa holding press conference on astrobiological discovery
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8573350#post8573350

    Circumcision
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8529575#post8529575

    Dealing with an Egomaniac Dad
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8399097#post8399097

    More evolution
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8232341#post8232341

    Augustine and Slavery
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8286228#post8286228

    Nuclear Energy Reactors
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=392081

    Joys of existence
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8205600#post8205600

    Empathy
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8269049#post8269049

    Friend Advice
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8269015#post8269015

    How to cope with insults
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?p=8147778#post8147778


    Having done the back and forth with him a few times I'd say he's met the qualifications for citizenship in terms of posting(1 qualification met). He's got a good head for debate and lends a certain brand of knowledge to the threads he posts in. However he still needs the CdeC support(qualification unmet) and I'm not entirely sure his posting is beyond that which we expect of citizens so I personally am unsure as to why I'd vote for an additional honour
    I don't really understand this, I think his posting is fantastic. If you can stare me in the eye and just say that his posts are only enough for citizen, you've got to be pulling a joke. My posts are that of a run of the mill civitate. elfdude's are in a league of their own however.

    I get the impression you guys aren't going through the links.
    Last edited by Lysimachus; December 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM.

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