Civitateship Bias?

[Seleukos]

On drak, the vote passed, drak is in. His vote is simply an indication of the problems with how staff is voting. That is why it got brought up. Drak shouldn't be beat up for letting his vote get passed. It is us in staff who should be the ones getting blamed for this.

Just because you think differently, doesnt mean its the rest of staff's fault. I think he was and still is civitate material, which he is, mind you. I wouldnt have patronized him otherwise.

[Fabolous]

Just because you think differently, doesnt mean its the rest of staff's fault. I think he was and still is civitate material, which he is, mind you. I wouldnt have patronized him otherwise.

Ok, so I worded it badly. I should have said staff are the ones responsible for this instead of blamed. But my point still hold as clearly many people agree with me that there appears to be some problem.

[Jesus The Inane]

It is a disgrace to attack one for his perceived -soon to be commited- offences.

This is the whole point I am making; Drak did not prove himself to deserve Civitateship in the eyes of many people. There is a reason for this. There are many people who agree with me, and there is a reason for that too.

You prove yourself before you become a Civitate, not the other way around. And the fact you guys want to give Drak a "Chance" is not only unfair towards other members, but also shows that you guys are being too lenient on Drak, and that the staff was too lenient on Drak. But what makes me the most upset is that the Staff clearly wasn't so lenient on CrackerMonkey and KrewciaL.

It seems to me that some of you think that by ostrocizing Drak, his heart is gonna be broken. I don't see what is the big deal of ostrocizing him, and then in one month, when he has more time to convince a great majority of us who doubt wether he deserves the rank, to vote him in again.

I think this would only be fair. Now, I believe that there are regular members who respect and think highly of the Civitates. And they see the Civitates as an example. If we allowed the Civateship honor to be given to anyone who has more then 100 post, then we are harming the site. It takes away the quality of TWC.

It is a disgrace to display extreme prejudice.

Funny that. How many times have Drak not shown extreme prejudice against anti communist stuff, feminist, and specially Bush? Again, this just shows how lenient you people are on Drak just because he is funny.

And in this thread, I'm afraid, there has not been no show of extreme prejudice, not that I'm aware of. I even said clearly; "I do not hate Drak." So I don't know what you on about.

I humbly ask the staff to bring it to an end.

And you think that without this thread we would have reach the level of understand not only regarding how Drak was made a Civitate, but also about certain problems in the Civitateship votes? Problems that are shown thanks to this thread. Plus, a lot of other Civitates would have miss this educating and thought provoking thread.

Any beef about the civitateship procedure and selection should be dealt with in the CVRIA.

This is the Curia, no?

[DrakKassleron]

It's alright, I don't find this thread offensive at all. I'm pleased that I have plenty of supporters, though. However, I'm more than capable of defending myself, as I am now.

Jesus the Inane, I understand your point of view. In fact, although I think that I am worthy of being a Civitate, I also believe that Crackermonkey is worthy of becoming a Civitate, just as much as I am. He probably will become one someday, prehaps soon.

But still, I do think that I make a very positive contribution to the forum on the whole. I do participate in other threads, I make very long posts, often about my novels and writings or about politics, or whatever. Also, I try to respect other people's opinions, even though I often don't agree with them.

[QUOTE=imb39 I am shocked and appalled. This thread is villifying a fellow member and Civitate. He is an eccentric, no more. Harmless. Does he contribute to TWC - Yes he does. His threads are always interesting to read and he engages very well with anyone who posts on his threads.

I am totally with Lord Alameda on this.

I can understand the confusion with Crackermonkey and Krewcial, indeed I have had a conversation with him regarding it. I also defended Drak's Civitateship.

Drak is a 15 year old kid who has a wonderful imagination, is spontaneous and brings a lot of pleasure to a lot of people. He might only contribute to his own threads - I have not monitored that - but those threads drag in a lot of responses and lighten up a place which is often too serious.

I am also perturbed by the assertion that we should jump on him with his first mistake. Does this apply to everyone? Bloody hell, what a welcome he has recieved. His crime? Not being serious. I'm sorry but a community should be made up of a wide group of people and attitudes, the Staff have acted with courage and I applaud them. If only I had the balls to off him this prize.

By making this issue so personal, I feel the Curia has been brought into disrepute. PM's sohlud have been the way to go. If a thread was necessary, then a more general one should have been made.[/QUOTE]

Thanks, comrade.

Although often I am being serious. When I say that I am a hard-line revolutionary true communist, it isn't a joke in any way or form. True, some of my writings are over the top and sometimes humourous. But that doesn't mean that I'm not ever serious - I'm certainly serious about how much I hate Bush and neo-fascism.

Also, you made just one tiny mistake:

Drak is a 15 year old kid

Actually, I'm 16 and three quarters, and I will be 17 in just two months.

But, it's just a minor mistake, so I don't mind.

2 full pages of added discussion and we're still no nearer making a point than we were yesterday.

The fact is, Drak is in. Jesus the Inane, or any others sharing his opinion, you need to either Ostrakon him or learn to accept his Civitate status. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't come around here too often, after all, if you were to be kicked in the face with a golf shoe moments upon entering the Curia, would you come back?

Thanks for defending my position.

While as I said I'm not going to take offence, I still would like to be treated with respect. I'm a Civitate, and I will always abide by the rules and make intelligent and well-thought out posts. Surely, that is good? That makes me a properly contributing member of the forum, doesn't it?

You may not have intended humiliation, but you've gone and done it anyway. This thread should be closed.

Again, thanks.

Also, what is an Ostrakon? Since I've never been to the Curia before today I don't really know. If it means demoting me from my position as Civitate, then I humbly ask that this is not passed. I promise you, I am good Civitate material. I make pretty good posts as a whole, overall. I don't think that I'm any more worthy than any other Civitates, but I still think that I'm worthy enough, in my own way.

well, i'm sure drak would love the controvery his appointment has caused, thats still no reason to humiliate the guy, and as fab points out, all the issues with Drak personsally are detracting from what i see as the major point of this thread.

drak is in. i have no problems with this either. i think he's a decent member and a funny guy.

Thanks. I hope I'm not so funny that no one ever takes me seriously though.....

the issues surround staff appointments and general civitate criteria.
this thread does not appear to aid in anyway discussing these issues, and i suggest it goes any further before peoples anti drak, or anti anti-drak sentiments step across the line

Again, thanks.

Just because you think differently, doesnt mean its the rest of staff's fault. I think he was and still is civitate material, which he is, mind you. I wouldnt have patronized him otherwise.

Thanks, comrade.


Anyway, as a Civitate and a responsible member of the forum, I think that this thread should be closed.

[Kscott]

nice post Drak, and welcome to the curia :original:.


I also am a supporter that this thread get closed, and if someone really wants an ostrakon on someone who did nothing wrong, well I will be on his side (draks if you guys were confused by my wording... )

[Justinian]

An Ostrakon against someone who has done nothing is ridiculous.

In my memory only two members have been Ostrakoned from their position since the start of the year: Ferrets54, for trolling, flaming, spamming, et cetera, and Crandar (which I don't think I need to explain).

Are you comparing Drak to Ferrets54 and Crandar?

[DrakKassleron]

nice post Drak, and welcome to the curia .


I also am a supporter that this thread get closed, and if someone really wants an ostrakon on someone who did nothing wrong, well I will be on his side

Thanks, comrade.

One off-topic thing that I feel I need to mention - most people who have read my posts in the general forums know my political views very well, and they understand that I refer to mostly everyone as "comrade" even if their political views are utterly different from mine. It's just the way I write, really.

An Ostrakon against someone who has done nothing is ridiculous.

In my memory only two members have been Ostrakoned from their position since the start of the year: Ferrets54, for trolling, flaming, spamming, et cetera, and Crandar (which I don't think I need to explain).

Are you comparing Drak to Ferrets54 and Crandar?

Again, thanks for pointing that out.

[Francisco Montana]

i have - Justinian

my one "failed" patronage - first time around, and look how he's turned out

Are you sure that's the best example to use, in this case?


JK, Justinian! :laughing:


@ Drak... Nicely played, young sir.

[the Black Prince]

to correct justinian

only Ximan and Crandar have been ostrakoned
the staff banned ferrets, he was never ostrakoned.


may i also take this opportunity to point out that Drak's signature is in breach of the sig and avatar policy

[Belisarius]

Come on guys! A hard line communist to shake up the Curia, what could be cooler then that! :wink:

[Fabolous]

An Ostrakon against someone who has done nothing is ridiculous.

In my memory only two members have been Ostrakoned from their position since the start of the year: Ferrets54, for trolling, flaming, spamming, et cetera, and Crandar (which I don't think I need to explain).

Are you comparing Drak to Ferrets54 and Crandar?

While a civ can bring an Ostrakon against another civ, I think it would be unlikely in this case.


Again, I would like to express my view that this thread isn't about drak, but rather about the way in which staff votes. Second, I would like to hear what people think of this said by tBP:

3/ to remind people that being a civitate IS an honoured rank. it is not a rank that should be handed out to any all and sundry, it is not a rank that should be handed out to anyone who hits 100 posts, it is not a rank to be handed out to anyone who posts repeatedly regularly or actively.

[Justinian]

to correct justinian

only Ximan and Crandar have been ostrakoned
the staff banned ferrets, he was never ostrakoned.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21083

:wink:

[the Black Prince]

note the contebnts of the thread

9 members only voted - all of them staff
and the curator declared the ostrakon void, as the member wasn't subject to the (poorly worded) rules of ostrakon

[Belisarius]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=21083

:wink:

Wigs too!!

Hats with curly flowing white wiggie things to keep our head warm!

Lol, Crandar joked once!

[Fabolous]

Lol, Crandar joked once!

Funny guy Crandar. His "Learning disability" is still something I find wonderfully amusing.

[Kscott]

:sign_stup

Thats becuase you clearly have learning disabilities.

[imb39]

3/ to remind people that being a civitate IS an honoured rank. it is not a rank that should be handed out to any all and sundry, it is not a rank that should be handed out to anyone who hits 100 posts, it is not a rank to be handed out to anyone who posts repeatedly regularly or actively.

There are plenty out there who are over 100 posts and are not Civitates. I think that this is being blown out of proportion.

There are plenty over 100 who won't be offered Civitateship or if they are they won't be voted in.

[Garbarsardar]

Funny that. How many times have Drak not shown extreme prejudice against anti communist stuff, feminist, and specially Bush? Again, this just shows how lenient you people are on Drak just because he is funny.

Right, let us suppose that both you and Drak are prejudiced. The difference is that no one is questionning your Civitateship here...

And in this thread, I'm afraid, there has not been no show of extreme prejudice, not that I'm aware of. I even said clearly; "I do not hate Drak." So I don't know what you on about.

Do you want to question yourself as to why you felt the need do declare that "I do not hate Drak." Why would anyone think so?

And you think that without this thread we would have reach the level of understand not only regarding how Drak was made a Civitate, but also about certain problems in the Civitateship votes? Problems that are shown thanks to this thread. Plus, a lot of other Civitates would have miss this educating and thought provoking thread.

I think that there are many ways to reach a level of understanding. What level and by which way is debatable. Let us just say that your intentions were benign but the timing and wording very unlike your usual self...

This is the Curia, no?

I meant of course, through legislative action and not by victimizing a member without even producing one shred of evidence.
This is the Cvria no?

[Kscott]

I know many have said this already, but....


GARB IS BACK!

[Tacticalwithdrawal]

Drak,

never crossed swords with you but welcome to the Curia, it's a lovely place really , the natives are usually quite friendly they just get bees in their bonnets every now and again

Jesus The Inane - can i make a suggestion, this thread is getting far too personal and your actually valid point (it was discussed several times in the Decumvirate (vote on the new syntagma now if you haven't already here ) is getting buried.

Ask a moderator to close it and then re-open it discussing the real issue, or comment in tBP's thread. Either way personal attacks are not the way to go and this is definately in the realms of personal attacks.