Opinion from the User

**Invictus XII** · November 17, 2010, 03:18 PM

Do you think the Enemies of The Republic (Royalist, Austria, Britain, Prussia) campaign should start at 1789 or 1792. I say 1792 because thats the year all the other major nations of Europe declared war on the Republic. The Revolution campaign (the one you play as Revolutionary France) will start in 1789, but its the EOTR (Enemies of The Republic) campaign I want to ask you about. So what do you think?

**♠ quad ♠** · November 17, 2010, 05:37 PM

i wanna be in the 1700's for as long as possible

**trevorc94** · November 17, 2010, 05:45 PM

Same i think it should be from 1789 so we can build up for year and play for the last decade of the century. Longer campaigns are more fun in my opinion.

**Geronimo2006** · November 17, 2010, 05:48 PM

I originally argued that 1792 made more sense but the question then is when in 1792: before or after the end of the monarchy. But I see you are saying the Revolution campaign will still start in 1789. In that context, I would prefer the Allied campaign to start in 1789 to give you a chance to muster your forces before the storm gathers.

**The Juggernaut** · November 17, 2010, 07:17 PM

I think later is good, because this way it's more challenging. It's not like the Austrian Emperor knew 'Hey, those French peasants are going to kick our @$$!"

**Spartan262** · November 17, 2010, 07:22 PM

Definatly 1792 for historical accuracy.

**E.K** · November 18, 2010, 01:44 AM

Originally Posted by Spartan262

Definatly 1792 for historical accuracy.

yep im for 1792

**Lord Horatius** · November 18, 2010, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by ♠ quad ♠

i wanna be in the 1700's for as long as possible

Me too! What's three more turns of powdered wigged goodness?

**EmperorBatman999** · November 18, 2010, 07:51 PM

Why not 1790? A good compromise in my opinion.

**Geronimo2006** · November 19, 2010, 04:12 PM

If 1792 the rulers should be:

France: Louis XVI (or National Convention from September 1792. Strangely, the Convention was it's own executive until April 1793 when this role passed to the Committee of Public Safety)
Spain: Carlos IV
Portugal: Maria I (went insane this year - actual power in Prince Joao's hands)
Bavaria and Palatinate (subsumed into Bavaria): Karl Theodor
Saxony: Friedrich August III
Poland-Lithuania: Stanislaw II
Prussia: Friedrich Wilhem II
Austria: Leopold VII (until 1st March 1792) then Franz II
Russia: Catherine II
Denmark: Christian VII
Sweden: Gustav III (before died of assassins bullet on 29th April 1792), afterwards Gustav IV.
Sardinia: Victor Amadeus (Vittorio Amadeo) III
Naples: Ferdinand IV
Ottoman Empire: Selim III
Papal States: Pius VI.
Mecklembourg-Strelitz: Adolphus Frederick IV
Tuscany (Austrian Protectorate): Ferdinand III

**E.K** · November 19, 2010, 10:17 PM

Just had a look at the campaign and I really like the new UI. Although can the units from ETW be removed in the next version? They look out of place with all the other beautifal units there are.

**Geronimo2006** · November 20, 2010, 01:00 PM

If Royalist and Republican France are both factions and the game starts in 1792, then Louis XVIII should be the Royalist France leader.

**RO Citizen** · November 20, 2010, 01:45 PM

1792, 'nuff said

**Absolute Autocrat** · December 14, 2010, 12:46 PM

I say 1789 for the reason that I want to start as the Royalists WITH King Louis in power.

**Absolute Autocrat** · December 14, 2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by Geronimo2006

If Royalist and Republican France are both factions and the game starts in 1792, then Louis XVIII should be the Royalist France leader.

Well, if the campaign starts in 1792, then Louis WOULDN'T be ruler of France, the Convention was. And in 1792, the Royalists were "outlawed" since the Republic had been declared. Although Louis was alive, his title had been reduced to "King of the French", that is to say, he was only a figure head for those who still voted for a monarchy. As far as the Republic was concerned, Louis was a DEAD MAN at this point in time.

But, in the beginning of 1789, Tuileries Palace hadn't yet been stormed, the Bastille still sported the fleur-de-lis, and France was a proud monarchy. I think the object of the Royalist campaign should be to suppress rebellion and be that gravitational power in France. Thus, they should start when they still retain power and have not been too seriously down-sized. This was the problem with CA, when they showed us Napoleon's France in 1805 as the beginning of it all, so we must remember that this mod can and SHOULD bring light to the very genesis of the French Revolution: where the king ruled and the peasants were just on the verge of revolutionary outburst.

**Geronimo2006** · December 14, 2010, 01:21 PM

I notice that Louis XVI has a neutral effect on diplomacy on economic management in ROW. In my humble opinion this should be changed to a -10 effect on economic-management given how he bankrupt his country.

**Absolute Autocrat** · December 14, 2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Geronimo2006

I notice that Louis XVI has a neutral effect on diplomacy on economic management in ROW. In my humble opinion this should be changed to a -10 effect on economic-management given how he bankrupt his country.

An excellent point! I think that would be a nice addition to the next version, not to mention the fact that the Royalist territories should be unsettled (lower classes, mainly)

**Inkie** · December 14, 2010, 03:11 PM

The LME mod has different campaigns you can activate with user_script. Do you think it would be possible to do the same here? Like that both dates could be played. I don't see how it would be possible to fit in a 1792 royalist faction properly, whereas a very weak and fragile 1789 one would make sense. The 1789 campaign would be for those who want the Bourbons still in power and peace in Europe, the 1792 one for those who want revolutionary France and war with all of the reactionary powers. Moreover, Poland could be included in the 1789 version and removed in the 1792 one.

**Absolute Autocrat** · December 14, 2010, 06:15 PM

Yes, that's exactly how I think it should be. I want revolution, granted, but it would be more appropriate to have the Royalists as the established faction, with the Revolutionaries as the underdog, seeing as that's how it happened. And as far as Poland goes, how would you fit her into ROW? Austria, Great Britain, Prussia, and Royalist France are the four main (playable) countries and deservedly so, and unlike Empire, you can't just shimmy in a faction here and there, unfortunately. But in 1789, you will still have revolution, just a more complete sense of it. I can see one drawback to this year, however: there is no guarantee the other nations will declare war on Revolutionary France in 1789 (in fact, it's quite impossible if they are just a rebelling army on the campaign map. Thus, one specific starting region would have to be granted to them, and as a minor nation they can be challenged.

**Inkie** · December 16, 2010, 04:22 AM

I'm honestly just going from what I've seen in other mods: LME and NTF both have the possibility of playing all factions, by creating different campaigns each with their own set of playables that you can activate. I think it would be good if not necessary for this mod because I'm pretty sure we all want a little bit of Suvorovness in campaign as well as the Royalists. Perhaps it would be anachronistic, but I think it would be more atmospheric for the revolutionaries to be given Bretagne, so they kind of gradually 'spread' throughout the country (that we might observe the fall of Paris) and if you are playing as Royalists, you have to rush men to the frontier and stop the flow of revolutionnaries...Then again, Paris makes more historical sense and wouldn't be bad either.