Suggestions

**Kscott** · December 21, 2005, 04:22 PM

We are very open to suggestion, feel free to post you comments here.

**ianofsmeg16** · December 22, 2005, 06:48 AM

We'd like also to hear your comments about the issue of factions, do you wis to have lots of Britsh Factions to simulate the in-fighting of the british kingdoms aswell as against the saxons? Or do you wish to only have about 6 or 7 british factions to make them fight more against the saxons than each other?
We'd like to suggestions on units, the factions themselves, the map...anything

**Dr Fox** · December 22, 2005, 07:25 AM

well you could have it scripted that at the beginning have a huge alliance against the saxons and then once they gone have all of the remaining factions go to war with each other, now not worried about the saxon invasion

**Agraes** · December 22, 2005, 07:33 AM

We planned to force some alliances

Especially for the Arthurian time, believed to be the Amherawddyr, 'Imperator' in Welsh, battle-leader of all Britons.

**Maethius** · December 22, 2005, 11:34 AM

Well i'm not sure what you mean with Briton factions, does it include the welsh and irish? But if its only southern England british then I prefer 6-7 factions than a whole pile.

**Ranika** · December 22, 2005, 11:50 AM

No, the Irish don't count as Britons (they weren't Britons, they were Gaels, and have entirely different armies and so on), nor do Picts (who may have been 'Britons' to some extent, but had a largely unique culture that had also steadily absorbed Gaelic influence). However, not all Britons are in the south. There's Alcluyd, Gododdin, and Ynis Mannaw/Galwyddel (Ynis Mannaw should be pretty interesting, with a neat unit selection). However, it does include the Welsh.

**Maethius** · December 22, 2005, 12:02 PM

I do know that welsh, picts re different cultures, just wasn't sure what ianofsmeg16 meant by british. Since it's perfectly clear now I still say 6-7 British factions.

**Ranika** · December 22, 2005, 12:08 PM

As is current, there are 11; 4 'Welsh', 4 'English', and 3 'Scottish', if you count Ynis Mannaw in there.

**Agraes** · December 22, 2005, 12:12 PM

Yep, corresponding to modern Britain, but by British we mean 'Briton' or Romano Briton

You forget Llydaw Ranika, our Breton faction

**Ranika** · December 22, 2005, 12:15 PM

Oh yes, I keep missing it when I count factions. Was trying to think of why I kept coming up a faction short when recalling them off the top of my head. Llydaw, our 12th British faction. I thought we had 12, but could not recall the last.

**Maethius** · December 22, 2005, 12:33 PM

Well 12 factions is also good.

**Agraes** · December 22, 2005, 01:23 PM

Complete faction list (if no changes) :

SOUTH BRITONS :
- Llydaw (Brittany)
- Dyfneint (Domnonia)
- Dyfed
- Gwent
- Powys

NORTH BRITONS :
- Gwynedd
- Elmet (around Leeds)
- Ebrauc (Yorkshire)
- Rheged
- Gododdin
- Alcluyd
- Ynis Manaw

GAELS :
- Ui Neill
- Mumainha
- Dal Riada
- Connaght

GERMANS :
- Seaxe (Saxons)
- Eoten (Juts)
- Englas (Angles)

PICTS

There will be also some 'Rebel factions'. Basically they will be rebels but they will be strong (depend of cases, of course) :
- Franks
- Laigin (Gaels)
- Midlands (Britons, weak)
- Bryneich (Britons)
- Romano-Gallics
- Alans (in Orléans only)
- Domon (Picts)

**Maethius** · December 22, 2005, 03:46 PM

Looks interesting even if the names mean virtually nothing to me.

**Kscott** · December 22, 2005, 04:04 PM

Well hopefully I can explain it somewhat:
The Two Brition Groups are all romano-Britons; The Llydaw are britons, but in Brittany France. Then we have the Gaels(irish) and then the Saxons, jutes and angles are obviosuly the "Saxon" invaders.

Ynis Manaw is actually the faction from the isle of man(Island between Britian and Ireland).

Dyfneint (Domnonia), is the faction is southern England, where you will find Arthur. They are most liekly the strongest Briton faction.

Dal Raida are and Irish Tribe that imigrated to Scotland. A mix between their descendants and the picts(natives of scotland) make up modern scotland.

Many of the others are simply small Briton Kingdoms that were around at this time.

**Ranika** · December 22, 2005, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Maethius

Looks interesting even if the names mean virtually nothing to me.

For further extrapolation on the Irish, our two 'big' factions right now are the Ui Neill (the rulers, at the time, of all the lands of Uladd, Oirgall, south as far as the plains of Breg, and as far east as Dun Ranma, ruled by the Dalriatta, the Irish subset of the Dal Riada clan). The Ui Neill fashion themselves as the descendants of King Niall, who once ruled the whole island, and even fought the Romans, and initiated policies of raiding Roman-British territory that ultimately rendered much of the island unprofitable. With Germans and Picts, and trouble elsewhere, Britain was unprofitable, and slowing down the empire's attempt to defend itself, so it was abandonned. The Ui Neill technically control a few sub-kingdoms, but were ruled by one over-king, and a council of electors, and the taingi or senate. While the same basic government was always in place in a Gaelic kingdom, their senate was a bit more disunited, and ultimately led to the kingdoms declaring themselves indepedent.

The Mumainha, by contrast, are a single kingdom, composed of the Eoghanacht, a kind of super-clan, composed of dozens and dozens of minor clans, with a single king refered to as 'the' Eoghanacht, and the standard clan government of a Gaelic kingdom (which means; elected officials at every level of government, elected heirs/tanists, a seperate legal branch of the government, etc.). Their big advantage is that when Ireland's kingdoms fell apart after Niall died (or possibly after one of his followers), the Eoghanacht held together. As such, they have the best initially developed lands in Ireland (and probably the best developed of any lands that fell outside of Roman dominion).

We may add Connaght, which is, you know, the kingdom of Connacht, the northwestern kingdom of Ireland. The name is 'men of Conn', or 'Dangerous Men', and in some accounts refers to the fact that the region was often a den of pirates and other criminals until it was finally brought under the rule of one king. They would be initially poor, and would have poor farmland (Connaght is very rocky), but, on the plus side, Connaght also had a lot of livestock and marble they traded, as well as silver and copper, iron mines, etc. The rockiness was poor for crops, but good for some livestock, and also implied many minerals, and Connaght is home to the world's only known supply of genuine green marble, which was of huge value then (merely getting a green marble inset stone into a sword pommel could supposedly double the cost of the weapon, let alone pieces like the sword of Deccuna, who had his entire sword hilt made of the material), and is still pretty expensive now, though much less (since it has been found to be so plentiful and it's much easier to quarry now). They'll probably be a bit of a challenge to play, but that'd be the fun. Not as rich as either of their nieghbors initially, they'd have to work pretty hard to get on top in Ireland, and much of their campaign would likely be spent there.