They were both brilliant generals, both pulled off tactical wonders in their military careers, so if they were to meet on the field, who would win the day?
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If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
They were both brilliant generals, both pulled off tactical wonders in their military careers, so if they were to meet on the field, who would win the day?
discuss
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Decanus
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
khalid was definitely the better general, but i don't think he ever commanded a very big army
Senator
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
They'd decide who was a better general in a a game of Halo.
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Really - why?khalid was definitely the better general
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Mhm, Arabian troops weren't that heavily armoured, were they? I think it'd be fairer if you gave them both the same army.
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Other than lots of dead people, no idea.
Vicarius
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
lol, really?
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
i'm not saying that alexander wasn't a great general, or else he wouldn't have reached india. but he wasn't as tested as khalid, and didn't fight many battles were the odds were overwhelmingly against him; furthermore he had with him heavy seasoned troops. on the other hand khalid ibn al-walid fought numerous battles against both the roman and persian armies (and at times combined armies), often being outnumbered and facing heavy, experienced troops (including shock cavalry).
there was absolutely nothing inevitable about the islamic conquest. if it wasn't for khalid islam would probably have never become anything more then a sect of chritianity practiced in some parts of central arabia
Domesticus
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
i see khalid ben alwalid
becuse he crushed the Parisians and the romans many times and fought as i remember more than 150 battle
and on the other hand how many empires did alexander fought aginest
but that don't mean that alexander wasn't a great general
fought numerous battles against
Praeses
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Khalid didn't face any truly formidable enemy. He faced two exhausted empires with little gifted generals to command their armies. The Persian empire, however, managed to restore itself after a series of degneration of government. Darius was quite a talented general.
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
They wouldn't have met because there were from different time frames. What is it with all these ridiculous alternative scenario's - Rome vs Medieval England, Rome vs. Northern Woodland Indians and now this? What is wrong with actually coming up with some more credible scenarios such as what if Khalid ibn al-Walid had suffered a reverse at Yarmuk for example? I think it is ok to compare aspects of leadership between the Alexander and Khalid and how they fought their campaigns, but to say suggest a scenario where they would've met on the battlefield is silly.
Praeses
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Well, I actually have to agree there.
There are way to many problems with those scenarios - How large are the armies? Why are they fighting? Where? What is the background to all of this? How do we get over technological pars? How about morale?
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Alexander would convert to Islam and so would his Macedonians/Greeks.If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Comes Domesticorum
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Alexander probably would proclaim himself caliph then.
Comes Limitis
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Alexander: 'Which one of you is in charge?'Alexander probably would proclaim himself caliph then.
Ibn Al-Walid: 'I am mushrikun.'
Alexander: 'I'm the son of this "Allah" character.'
Ibn Al-Walid: 'No you aren't.'
Alexander: 'I think I would know.'
Ibn Al-Walid: 'Silence Kafir!'
Alexander: 'Somatophylakes to me!'
Hephaestion: 'Alalalalalalalalalalala!' *stabs Al-Walid*
Ibn Al-Walid: 'Gahk, we share a warcry!' *dies*
Alexander: 'Is there no one else?!' *stoops to pick up Walid's sword*
Hephaestion: 'Alright you lot, start praying to the God-Emperor or else.'
*Muslims bowing*
Alexander: 'I demand a sacrifice...'
The Earth is inhabited by billions of idiots.
The search for intelligent life continues...
Domesticus
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Depends, what is the makeup of the two armies? Where are they fighting?
Overall,
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
This is the most realistic scenario possible so lets go with this one...except for the dying part. Lets say Alexander and the muslim guy met in the field after the exchange.
My vote goes for alexander because Ibn Ai-Walid only fights for a deity while Alexander believes he is one...
Domesticus
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
That's not a valid reason though, its more of an observation.
Just for the sake of Argument, I'd say Al-Walid.
Because he was able to defeat armies much heavier and larger than his.
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Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Guagamela.... ahem what?
Minister for Home Affairs of the Commonwealth v Zentai [2012] HCA 28 per Heydon J at [75]
Analysis should not be diverted by reflections upon the zeal with which the victors at the end of the Second World War punished the defeated for war crimes. The victors were animated by the ideals of the Atlantic Charter and of the United Nations. The Universal Declaration of Human Rights was about to peep over the eastern horizon. But first, they wanted a little hanging.
Domesticus
Re: If Khalid ibn al-Walid and Alexander the Great met on the battlefield?
Battle of Yarmouk?
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